Catholic school board votes tonight whether to suspend HPV vaccinations

[Sibling Lambicus the Toluous]

What ideas like this or abstinence-only so-called "sex ed" are completely overlooking is the fact that if teenagers want to have sex, they will.

I'm not sure they ignore it.  I think the unspoken message is that if teenagers have sex, they deserve what they get.

[beagle]

...and the rules are made by grumpy middle-aged people who either never were 16, or have long forgotten what it was like.

"The strongest oaths are straw to the fire in the blood" - Shakespeare

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

Are you suggesting that this is the result of a mixture of anorgasmia and guilt?

[Aggie]

Are you suggesting that this is the result of a mixture of anorgasmia and guilt?

No, I think he said they didn't remember being 16...   

_{have I mentioned that I much prefer adulthood to adolescence?}

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

I dunno, I do believe that these kind of fundies are either anorgasmic or have a tremendous guilt for past/present/future orgasms. Some people have been effectively neutralized with guilt and either want to 'protect' those 'poor sinner souls' or can't stand the possibility of someone else enjoying what they can't.

_{have I mentioned that I much prefer adulthood to adolescence?}

Don't you at times wish to go back knowing what you know now?

[Aggie]

Don't you at times wish to go back knowing what you know now?

Yeah, but it's hard to say whether I'd want to put the knowledge to good (evil?) use knowing the outcome of slugging through it the way it happened.  I think I'd just prefer to tell my past self to stick with it because it all works out for the best.  Maybe I did...

[beagle]

Be careful what you tell yourself.

"The happiest youth, viewing his progress through,
What perils past, what crosses to ensue,
Would shut the book, and sit him down and die." 

I've gone all Shakespearian today. Pretentiousness, another fault of grumpy, middle-aged people. And I'm giving away the ending.

[Griffin NoName]

Train the priests to give the injections while chanting "this hurts me far more than it hurts you".

[Alpaca]

I think it stems from the fact that the fundies are willing to suspend any inner sense of morality and justice in favor of sticking to a grossly misinterpreted set of "rules" that are allegedly based on the Bible and will thus allegedly get them into heaven and simultaneously make them feel good about themselves.

[Sibling Chatty]

Meh, it's all about people having FUN.

This is SERIOUS!! LIFE is serious!! You can't just go around ENJOYING yourself!!

I say why not?? And I agree with Kurt Vonnegut...Mankind was put on this earth to fart around.

Your basic fartin' around doin' somethin' for FUN!!
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As to the teen sex part...since abstinence education works SO WELL...as the US has proved, you think that the parents would encourage the board to encourage the injections.

There's one definite issue that makes me think they're an excellent idea.
http://www.mcadsv.org/mrcdsv/resource/stats/teens.pdf

The National Violence Against Women Survey found that of the women who reported being raped at some time in their lives, 21.6% were under the age of 12 years old, 32.4% were 12-17 years old, and 29% were 18-24 years old when they were first raped. This translates to 54% of women victims who were under 18 at the time of the first rape. (Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women. U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs. November 1998.)

How soon is too soon to be worrying about THAT issue??

21.6% were under the age of 12 years old

That the REPORTED incidents of rape point to between 18 and 25 percent of women being raped at some point, AND that early rape/abuse victims are more likely to become 'serial victims' (sexual abusers of children can spot them a mile off, somehow)--WHY would you NOT try to protect your child?

OH, yeah, because it'll 'encourage them'.

Stupid. Just stupid.

[Swatopluk]

Have you forgotten that to those people rape victims "just asked for it"?
According to that logic the vaccination would drive rape numbers up

The Indian (=Hindu) fundie solution to that is: Vaccinate the boys but not the girls

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

The issue surrounding the HPV vaccine has left me literally baffled.

I try to comprehend their point-of-view, but I cannot:  it literally Does Not Compute (to me).

Of course, I do try to reconcile my internal rules to be harmonious, where possible....

...and fundies almost never, EVER do that-- so far as my experience has been.

They claim that the message the vaccine sends is "it's okay to have sex".

When in reality the message sent is, "if you break our completely arbitrary rules, we want you to DIE".

and "Our Rules are MORE valuable than Human Life itself".

Kids are NOT stupid:  there's plenty of anti-sex brainwashing going on-- more than enough to offset any POSSIBLE "sex is okay" message that a vaccine might convey.

What?  They don't TRUST their brain-washing techniques?   Well, I suppose they have good reason not to....  


But, if you could trace the origins of the idiotic notion that the HPV vaccine sends "sex is okay" message-- it WILL have come from a MALE!

Who NEVER, EVER has to face the possible issues from contracting the diseases HPV vaccine protects from.   (Who, if he is/was married, would DISOWN any of his spouse/offspring who DARED to have contracted such disease, too....)

You know:  a dried-up evil old coot who HATES women underneath it all, and only sees them as a means to creating a Dynasty...

*bleah*

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

Actually genital warts are the result of HPV in both males and females.

Obviously no man has died yet of genital warts. 

[Sibling Lambicus the Toluous]

They claim that the message the vaccine sends is "it's okay to have sex".

And isn't this what all vaccinations do?

It took me years of counselling to realize that the tetanus booster I got at age 10 wasn't my parents' way of telling me to go out and play with sharp, rusty things.   

[Sibling Lambicus the Toluous]

BTW - I'm not sure why this didn't show up when I searched last week, but the motion was approved:

A decision by the Halton District Catholic School Board to block HPV vaccines from being administered in its schools has drawn the ire of Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty.

The decision came Tuesday night when the board reversed an earlier call and decided public health nurses would not be allowed in its schools to provide the vaccine for girls in Grade 8.

The human papilloma virus is contracted only through sexual activity and is the leading cause of cervical cancer in women.

McGuinty said he was disappointed with the trustees, suggesting the vaccine, "is the right thing to do for our daughters," even as he admitted his government can't force boards to participate. He added that parents should know the vaccine is covered by public health care.

"I think it's a mistake for the board not to participate in that program," McGuinty said.