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Title: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 23, 2009, 07:28:08 AM
Maybe.

Depends on the witnesses...

Came out of the grocery store with Tammy this evening. There was a man, a woman (OK, girl, she's all of 18) and her baby in the parking lot near my car.

I see the man SLAP the baby, tiny baby, in the face. Somehow, I CANNOT fathom how, my cane ends up on his head, then gouged into his ribcage, and then pinning him down as I step on his hand.

Police are called, ambulance is called, Tammy (six feet tall, a nursing assistant accustomed to lifting elderly patients, so quite strong) has gently pulled me away. OK, she's pinned me against my car and taken my cane away so I'll quit whailing on the SOB.

The baby has 2 breaks in the jawbone and a shattered cheekbone, plus signs of previous abuse. The girl is black and blue everywhere that DOESN'T show when clothed, and the SOB wants to file assault charges on me. Now HIS ass is going to be in jail, with NO hope of probation (he has a record, plus a sealed juvie record that includes abuse to an infant--amazing what people will tell you) and I was released on personal recognizance. (He's been admitted to the hospital. Somebody done messed him up some.)

Seems he may have a problem filing charges. The 'impartial' witnesses in the parking lot seem to remember seeing him step back into me and trip on my cane, this poor handicapped lady--"and then he turned to HIT the woman so she defended herself"!!

The judge came to the hospital to hold arraignment, so that I didn't have to climb stairs at the courthouse. (They're working on the elevators over the weekend) plus she didn't want the mother of the baby taken out of the hospital. Also, somehow, the guy got a good kick to the kidneys...

Anyway, The Temper of Chatty may have, ummm, flared a bit.
=============

This SOB is going down. 2 month old infant, now in critical condition in a Houston hospital (Life Flight helicopter directly to the parking lot, they didn't even bother with the local ER) but hopes are that there's no neurological damage. His just-as-worthless brother is the father of the baby, but HE went to prison while the girl was pregnant, so he turned her over to this jerk. Evidently, the girls step-father turned her out to these creeps for $250 when she was 14.

There are times when I am very glad that I do not espouse violence or carry a weapon. I am aware of the massive amounts of :irony: in that statement, but if I'd had a gun as the story unfolded? I'd have used it, no questions asked, no regrets.

Oh, my 'victim' also had 3 assorted types of illegal drugs on his person and in his vehicle.

Truly sucks to be him.

The EMT that was assigned to catheterize him was trying to locate the largest catheter he could get, and the doctor decide that he needed a huge dose of Narcan AND no pain meds until bloodwork was back.

And they cleaned the scratch on my hand and put a bandage on it for me while we waited for the judge.

As Dan said, I'm NOT 10 feet tall and bulletproof, but I tend to forget that. Somehow, I don't forsee me doing any time. I DO forsee me being deposed about this, so that if the trial is delayed, my health problems won't be an issue. Seems I'm the ONE person that clearly saw the blow that broke the baby's jaw, so my statement will carry a lot of weight.

It'll be a while before I can get to sleep....
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on March 23, 2009, 08:36:51 AM
 :exclaim:

(......and another useful reason to keep taking my stick with me when I go out!)

(....they give medals for services to the community Chatty)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bluenose on March 23, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
So often these creeps get away with their abhorrent behaviour because good people are afraid to "get involved".  Good on you Chatty, you did us proud.  Tolerance is our ideal, but all things have limits and beating defenceless children and women is surely beyond the pale.  I only hope that I would be half so brave should I encounter such a situation.   My greatest wish from this is that the child manages somehow to pull through and goes on to lead a long and fulfilling life despite its obviously unfortunate beginning.

Plus I think we should institute a new award for good citizenship and call it "the purple walking stick" and make Sibling Chatty the inaugural recipient thereof!

Edit: fix typos - see what happens when you post when you are really really tired...
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: ivor on March 23, 2009, 01:19:56 PM
Wow! Good job Chatty!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on March 23, 2009, 01:57:58 PM
OMG Chatty! That is so upsetting! But I'm glad, glad, glad you stepped in. You probably saved that baby's life. And I hope that bruised young Mommy will be able to finally see that her situation is NOT acceptable to bystanders.  This should make all the difference in the world to her. I hope she can get the heck away from those abusive idiots and find some dignity for herself and safety for her baby. No-one deserves to be treated like that. Now she knows.

I think it sometimes takes a poor, handicapped lady to step up to these jerks. I'm sure he was completely surprised to be confronted by the likes of you. If you had been a big, burly guy he could have punched you back and still looked like the man he wasn't. Now, I want a cane! Hey- I just bought one with a brass duck-head last fall at a yard sale, "just in case". Cost me all of a dollar. Now I know why I had to have it!

I love Blue's "Purple Walking Stick" award idea.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on March 23, 2009, 04:00:19 PM

I echo love the purple w/s award.

<sigh>my stick is turquiose ;)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: The Meromorph on March 23, 2009, 08:33:17 PM
My best friend in Louisville (who I've sometimes described as a renaissance mechanic - He makes tools to make tools to do things he wants to do.), has recently taken up making walking sticks. I love walking sticks, and I fell in love with one of the ones he had made and bought it off him about two months ago.

The handle is solid brass, the stick is hickory.
I secretly call it my 'smiting stick'.

Say the word and I'll have him make you one, Auntie Dee Dee.

Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 23, 2009, 10:03:34 PM
Update!!

After the Narcan and the explanation of WHAT he'd done, the guy has indicated that he's not pressing charges, he IS pleading guilty to whatever they throw at him and that he's aware that he'll probably be severely beaten if not shanked in prison. Yeah, self defense against a baby is sorta hard to claim...

I'm off the hook, the judge called and said they wanted my statement on file just in case.

Baby seems to be doing well so far. Three pediatric surgeons and a pediatric dentist are preparing to set the jaw in hopes of attaining normal growth, if not, there'll be corrective surgeries as needed.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on March 23, 2009, 10:37:37 PM

Good.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 23, 2009, 11:05:07 PM
The judge is working hard to keep the media away from this. It would be a total train-wreck news story, with no privacy at all for the poor girl involved. Evidently Texas Children's hospital is treating her as well as the baby, and they've quietly issued arrest warrants for her step-father and her mother, to deal with the 'sale' issue.

That all took place in Arkansas, so it's going to require some inter-state cooperation, but all the principals are in Texas now, so...who knows. The girl has indicated that she'd like for the baby to be adopted by someone who could provide a stable home, and that she would like to be 'fostered' and allowed to go to school. They took her out when she was 12 to care for younger siblings, then got rid of her, evidently when her mother told the step-father that she wasn't having him sleeping with "another woman" in her house.

There are some people that just need killin'.

I'm very glad that it has escaped media notice, and hope it continues to do so. And YAY for rural Texas counties with no newspaper big enough to be on-line...these children might stand a chance, ya know?
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on March 23, 2009, 11:07:08 PM

One saved, millions to go?
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Darlica on March 23, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
I'm a bit torn...

What you did was very brave Chatty and as Opsa said you probably saved this baby's life, I admire you for your courage.
But I also want to shout at you 'cause you put your self in danger like that, like Dan said your not bullet proof (but I bet you can appear 10ft tall when angry), please be at least a little careful. :)

It is a truly ugly story that unravels thanks to your intervention, I hope everything ends well for both the baby and the girl.



I love the cane idea, but I think a blue cane with flames would be more Chatty... :P ;D
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 24, 2009, 12:14:42 AM
There were other people, moving in the same direction, I just happened to be *right there*. Subconsciously, I knew I was safe, that there WAS backup... plus the temper thing...when I'm 'riled up' that way, I DO look 10 feet tall, and I sorta "Hulk out" (ref. incredible Hulk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_(comics) 
QuoteAs the Hulk, Banner is capable of immense feats of strength, which increases with his feelings of rage and anger. Anger is a common trigger of Banner's transformation.
).

People tend to be so stunned when I do that...I can get away with a lot. Imagine a serene meadow that suddenly becomes a raging volcano. It stuns the 'victim', generally. (I don't always do a physical response. The verbal ones are quite breathtaking, I've heard. I don't remember them.)

Today, Dan told a friend on the phone what I'd done. His response was "Did NASA chart the glow of her anger? What was the reading on the Richter Scale?" And "Did they find all the pieces of the guy's body..."

They say that carcinoid can cause this, a 'carcinoid rage'. If so, then I guess it's true that I've had the carcinoid since I was a teen, because that's when my 'temper' got so bad. Usually, it's under control. There are those things that just short-circuit the system.

Or, as my brother put it. "She's a mean bitch, but she's a FAIR mean bitch, and I want her on MY side in any fight. And for God's sake, don't physically or emotionally hurt a child, or you're dead meat and rotting by the time she's done." (We've had words about his neglect of his various children at times. He's cleaned up THAT act out of self preservation.)

Blue, with flames, that IS me. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: ivor on March 24, 2009, 12:30:21 AM
I think you need a better cane Chatty or there would have been no charges to against your 'victim.'  I think I'll send you a head-knocker cane along with your laptop.  It belonged to my Grandpa.  It's been to the top of Bell Rock in Sedona so it has Juju.  I can't think of anybody better to put it to use than you.

Sorry it's taking so long to send you your laptop.  I am putting a built in wireless card in it and I had to order an antenna.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Scriblerus the Philosophe on March 24, 2009, 01:22:07 AM
Chatty, you are, once again, my hero. That whole thing sounds like an unmitigated mess and I hope your intervention is what it takes to help the girl and the baby get a new start.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Aggie on March 24, 2009, 01:45:57 AM
Quote from: Sibling Chatty on March 23, 2009, 11:05:07 PM
There are some people that just need killin'.

Ayuh.  Abusive men (any flavor) get me right riled.  Them's rabid dogs, and best to be treated as such.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: anthrobabe on March 24, 2009, 04:21:36 AM
I agree with all said!

In defense of the innocent-who else do they have but 'us'.

Carry that cane proudly.

Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on March 24, 2009, 04:31:06 AM
Quote from: Sibling Chatty on March 23, 2009, 07:28:08 AM
Maybe.

Depends on the witnesses...

You managed to make me laugh and cry and feel immensely proud all in one go.

Proud to be a member of the same race (human) as you.

Cry for the poor mother and her wee one.

Laugh at the drubbing the punk deservedly received-- yeah, I know we should not laugh at the misfortunes of others, but maybe there's something to "My Name is Earl" (http://www.nbc.com/My_Name_Is_Earl/) and the karma thing.

I do think that "what goes around comes around".

Fortunately it came around for the punk before the mother and child were killed.

Unfortunately, it did not come soon enough to prevent injury to the wee one.

*sigh*

Do unto others:  if *I* were about to beat a wee one? I seriously hope someone would smack me upside the head to knock some sense first....

Yes, do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

You nailed that phrase, Chatty-- it ought to be in Wiki under the definition...
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 24, 2009, 06:04:47 AM
They realigned the baby's jaw WITHOUT CUTTING THE GUM LINE, and her brain pressure is close to normal, possibly with NO neuro side effects. They've constructed a shaped plastic splint that will be re-fitted every 5 days (babies grow) and tonight, the baby sucked on a bottle 'normally'.

This is a total first time ever attempt to deal with that severe an injury without surgery, but given her size, they thought it might work.

The judge is keeping me up to date on everything, and she called tonight, crying because she was so happy. I can understand that... ;D
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Pachyderm on March 24, 2009, 03:02:41 PM
Awesome. Simply awesome.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on March 24, 2009, 06:14:56 PM
I'm so grateful that that baby is doing better that i don't know what to say. My eyes have blurted over.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bluenose on March 24, 2009, 09:22:03 PM
OK, so Chatty is awarded the Purple Walikng Stick with Crossed Flames.  Wear it with pride, Sibling.

Great news about the baby, any updates on the mother?  I really hope someone is giving her the support she needs and letting her know that she does not have to put up with this BS.  In fact, she must not put up with it.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Lambicus the Toluous on March 25, 2009, 04:58:20 PM
Good job, Chatty.

BTW - if anyone's interested in self-defense using canes and walking sticks, this page (http://www.sdksupplies.com/cat_walkingsticks.htm) is a good resource of links and manuals - look near the bottom under the heading "Self Defence using the walking stick". ;)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on March 25, 2009, 05:12:26 PM
Absolutely delightful, Lambi. I love the photos of the gentleman doing the Tai Kwan Do moves in his top hat!  :D
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 30, 2009, 02:58:57 AM
The mother has been staying at the hospital with the baby, and has been in intensive therapy with their crisis counseling staff.

Children's Protective services started to get all involved and pushy, and the judge stepped in and stopped them. (90 day injunction keeping them from trying to take the baby.)

One of the neurologists caring for the baby is married to the psychiatrist in charge of the Mom's care. They're offering her a home for her and the baby with them. (They have 3 grown children, just now ALL out of the house at one time, so there's plenty of room.) I know the psychiatrist...my Mom used to be her secretary.

They'll be taking them home next week. Both are stable, the baby is doing well, and will be in great hands medically. The young mother will be given a chance to go back to school...the fact that she looks about 14 will be a good thing. They're enrolling her in a private academy (all 3 of their kids went there) that has a year-round program available where the student progresses at THEIR speed. (Tuition runs a cool 5 thou a month, but it's practically a one-on one teaching situation, except there are experts at ever level on every subject--including some university/junior college faculty that also teach there part-time.) There will be a nurse/nanny hired to care for the baby.

Drunk guy plead guilty to everything the judge threw at him. Even stuff that the prosecutor threw in to use as bargaining chips later on. Everything. Something 'got through' to him, I think. Sentencing is pending...
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Scriblerus the Philosophe on March 30, 2009, 03:11:37 AM
Did it happen to be Chatty shaped?
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 30, 2009, 03:38:15 AM
Dunno. The court psychologist did an hour of testing and 2 hours of 'discussion'.

The Chatty did 3 hours of visiting time for 4 days, discussing WHY a human being would behave that way to another human being, and WHY a human being would WANT to ingest substances that made him mean and stupid. I told him I wanted to know what kind of person would hit a baby that hard...and if that person would ever be fit to live in human society. Unfortunately, a lot of the blame goes back to how HE was raised. Or NOT raised, but sorta struggled his way up, past his teen years and supposedly became an adult. (While his father is and was an total jerk, I'd like to strangle his mother.)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on March 30, 2009, 04:22:33 PM
But wow, what extremely cool people the neurologist/psychologist couple are! It's enough to make one have faith in humanity, again!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: anthrobabe on March 31, 2009, 06:51:14 AM
I've shared your story with some of my officer friends and 100% they express the sentiment that they'd have done anything and everything to not arrest you or have you charged or anything--- sometimes it is difficult to be the ones who have to enforce the insane (at times) laws created by the lawyers (politicians-goobers).
In fact I think they would let you drive a police car around here- in place of the shot gun we could put your cane-- now that would be freaking cool. So would you like a Charger, Impala or the lone Crown Vic?
Now if cops actually did make the law-- now that would be really fun(ha-ha-ha--- sarcasm y'all-- I have insider knowledge).

No donut jokes-please- (well ok maybe a little one). Code 105 in the break room.

seriously though    :hug:
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: The Meromorph on April 01, 2009, 02:43:45 AM
Donuts.
The other white meat.  :P

Do ya need a new smiting stick Auntie Dee Dee? :bop: :stick:
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Aphos on April 01, 2009, 05:40:06 AM
Hi Chatty.

I've been following the story.  Must say, I admire your spunk.

As for the two doctors, that is an incredible story too.  They are taking on quite a bit.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Chatty on April 01, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
The 2 docs are just great people. Doc Ian is amazing...this huge man that does neurosurgery on the tiniest babies, and is so gentle, yet of such great moral certitude that the cynics in his 'area of expertise' don't go near him. And Doc Pippa...is just sweetness and caring and a core of iron.

Pippa pointed out to me that her parents are 79 and 81 and still both teaching (medical school) and that Ian's parents are a few years older than that, and still extremely active, so they have the time and energy to raise the teen, and the baby if need be. Ian's got some medical device patents that pay extremely well, so money's not a problem. (Tuition for the girl will run $65,000 a year. As Pippa pointed out, a few years ago, they had 3 in that school at once...tuition was only $50,000 a student then.)

The baby is improving daily, nerve conduction is good in the jaw area, and the swelling is almost gone.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on April 02, 2009, 06:08:46 PM
Quote from: Sibling Chatty on April 01, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
The 2 docs are just great people. Doc Ian is amazing...this huge man that does neurosurgery on the tiniest babies, and is so gentle, yet of such great moral certitude that the cynics in his 'area of expertise' don't go near him. And Doc Pippa...is just sweetness and caring and a core of iron.

Pippa pointed out to me that her parents are 79 and 81 and still both teaching (medical school) and that Ian's parents are a few years older than that, and still extremely active, so they have the time and energy to raise the teen, and the baby if need be. Ian's got some medical device patents that pay extremely well, so money's not a problem. (Tuition for the girl will run $65,000 a year. As Pippa pointed out, a few years ago, they had 3 in that school at once...tuition was only $50,000 a student then.)

The baby is improving daily, nerve conduction is good in the jaw area, and the swelling is almost gone.

*sigh*

You're just good people, Auntie.  Never let anyone try to convince you otherwise...y'hear?
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Qwertyuiopasd on April 24, 2009, 09:56:01 AM
Good example of, well, Bad people vs. Good people.

and if we look at their parents.... bad parents vs. good parents.

Funny thing, that.

This is why I think we should have like, an anti-liscence to reproduce. Like, if you do something like this, maybe worse, and depending on how much you recover (it wouldn't be permanent), basically you have to get surgically sterilized. "too stupid to f*ck" award. You clearly should never reproduce.

Sure they might change, and luckily we can undo our sterilization operations, but since we can't just exterminate the stupid people, we can stop them before we need to.

It'll never happen, but it could've avoided this situation (assuming someone caught on to the Jerk-Dad).


Walking Stick of Chatty, +3 against the morally bankrupt.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on April 24, 2009, 08:23:58 PM
Of course, the morally bankrupt are most likely to be first in line for a moral bailout!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 24, 2009, 09:38:12 PM

Quote from: Sibling Qwertyuiopasd on April 24, 2009, 09:56:01 AM
......basically you have to get surgically sterilized. "too stupid to f*ck" award. You clearly should never reproduce.


Actually we need stupid people to do the jobs no one else will - like garbage collection and Job Seeker Adminstrators.

:irony:

Immigration was big on TV last night.... I was aghast !!   It's all about importing skills we haven't got. What I simply cannot understand is why, if we have shortages in certain skills, we can't pump prime training in those skills........

Of course some people breed like rabbits and particularly young girls to get council housing ;) ;) ;) ;)

Again, I really do need to rule the world.

by the way, just in case anyone fails to take this post in the manner I intended when postiing it, I am NOT a racist and some of my best friends are foreign....   ;)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: beagle on April 24, 2009, 09:42:58 PM
OK. Stop now, y'all. You're scaring me. I thought I was the mad right-winger here.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 24, 2009, 09:45:11 PM

Yeh! I can see you wouldn't want to lose your one (doubtful) advantage.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: beagle on April 24, 2009, 09:56:21 PM
I resent that. Bet I'm the only one here with a certificate proving my sanity.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 24, 2009, 09:58:13 PM

There aint no sanity clause !
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on April 26, 2009, 12:12:47 AM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on April 24, 2009, 09:38:12 PM
Actually we need stupid people to do the jobs no one else will - like garbage collection and Job Seeker Adminstrators.
...
It's all about importing skills we haven't got. What I simply cannot understand is why, if we have shortages in certain skills, we can't pump prime training in those skills........
Do you want me -the immigrant- to answer that?  :P

To my knowledge there are two types of immigrant workers: 1) those who do those jobs that no one else wants to do (frequently physical jobs and to top it for less money than the locals), and 2) those who happen to have skills on high demand that are not readily available in the local market. It certainly makes sense to train people in those skills, but when a company needs to fill a position it can't wait four or five years until a local is trained in said skills. In theory the market takes care of the demand albeit in a delayed fashion (if a particular job is in high demand bigger salaries are offered and more people goes to school for that career).

There is also the problem of costs. What is the cost of education in the local market? How many talented people has access to said education? What is the quality of the basic (k-12) education? The other side of the coin is that there are more poor countries with low salaries in the world than rich countries with good/decent salaries, in consequence a person trained in a particular skill could barely aspire to a job with a salary that goes from 1/3rd to 1/10th at home from what that same person would make in the 1st world, which initially would allow him to accept a lower than average pay when he moves*.

The people on the 1st world seem to like the walled garden they have made for themselves over the past century and -to a degree- understandably worry about losing what took a fair amount of work to reach (higher wages, safety net, operating justice system, and in general security and comfort), but the imbalance between aprox one billion people** in rich countries vs 5.7 billion in poor countries is practically impossible to keep without consequences.

It is worth mention that for the most part immigrants would have rather remained in their countries of origin if they had found a decently paid job and/or opportunities at home.

For a last note, as an immigrant myself, as much as I understand the underlying fears, I find tiresome how the general portrayal of the immigrant is one of thieves that come in the night to take away jobs, bring diseases, drugs, noise, garbage, etc, etc, etc***. I guess is to be expected but I don't have to like it.

* Note the emphasis on the word initially, after a few years that person will be making an average salary, so the big bogeyman of imported skilled labor taking jobs of locals isn't as straight as some against immigration like to claim.

** Western Europe,  US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, Korea

*** Not here, fortunately.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 26, 2009, 12:44:53 AM
I was  an immigrant in around 1760 ish. At least not me but bits of me. Some bits of me immigrated later, up until around late 1800's.  I guess I am lucky I had all those years to train in some skills.

:irony:


My point was, in case of misunderstanding, the UK government does far too little to educate and train people for all occupations with shortages NOW so that years down the line the shortages won't exist (given they are not jobs that go out of fashion). I don't care if then a non-Brit then gets the job - if they are the better candidate.

I regulalry chat to (mostly) Eastern EU workers here and enjoy it and am glad they are doing the jobs that need doing. There is a growing trend for them to return to countries of origin (based on my chats so unreliable gossip). If this increases we will be up shit creek again.

I am also increasingly coming across the most abhorrent xenophobia - a couple of times recently people have stopped me in the street* to complain about "them taking our jobs"....... it's not nice and it is getting worse.

Also, one of my biggest worries is the unemloyed youth culture. That can only be addressed by incentive, training, engaging interest, and that needs doing yesterday - and JOBS real jobs afterwards. So far all (hmmm perhaps most) government schemes have been too little, too late, and too not good enough, and not necessarily aimed at anything that would be really useful.

Hmmmm I do fear some slight infection has taken hold of me from the Beagle stables.


*for those wondering why I get stopped in the street, it's because I tend to say stuff like ooh that bag looks heavy in passing which causes the person to turn around and say "yes and do you know you cant get decent plastic bags anymore and what's more the plastic bag factories that are still working - well they are all Scots in there when those jobs should be going to us English, no wonder all our kids have to hang around on the streets and get them ASBOs."
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Pachyderm on April 27, 2009, 12:27:58 PM
Ah, yes , the unmitigated evil of the heathen Scots, working in the UK.... ;D


Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on April 27, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
 :tjack:

Quote from: Griffin NoName on April 26, 2009, 12:44:53 AM
I am also increasingly coming across the most abhorrent xenophobia - a couple of times recently people have stopped me in the street* to complain about "them taking our jobs"....... it's not nice and it is getting worse.


"They took or jerbs" is a running gag in South Park (animated series on Comedy Central network; lots of potty humor, loads of extreme sarcasm, usually rubs the point home so far it comes out the back and comes around a 2nd or 3rd time again).

But every few episodes, they have to work in a scene where the locals cry:  "them took aur jerbs" (extreme accent).

The scene always plays out with the foreground character starting the litany, barely recognizable "they took our jobs".

The chant is quickly echoed by a 2nd character in a thicker accent: "them took aur jerbs"

The 3rd is even thicker.  By the fifth or sixth repetition, it's more akin to "Der Tkr urr jbbrs" and is no longer recognizable as language.

The gag started a season back or so, when a group of folk actually *did* take the local jobs.... now, any excuse to bring in the schstick is used in the show.

/end: :tjack:
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 27, 2009, 06:45:22 PM
It's sort of odd in a way. Deconstructing: "They took" :shifting responsibility - "Our Jobs" :something belonging to us.

"They" can only take "Our" jobs if the jobs belonged to "Us" and we did nothing to stop them taking them, but most of these jobs are not done by us so how can they be said to belong to us and how can they be tkaen away from us? And of course, taking the jobs "Ourselves" would leave no scope for "Them" to take them, but that somehow doesn't seem to figure.

I cannot make sense of this phrase at all !!!  ;) ;) ;)

South Park rocks.


Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: beagle on April 27, 2009, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on April 26, 2009, 12:44:53 AM
Hmmmm I do fear some slight infection has taken hold of me from the Beagle stables.

You're confusing my loathing of the corrupt, undemocratic, underhand and bureaucratic EU with xenophobia. 
I actually rather like Europeans.  Apart from the French, obviously.

By the way, it's Labour's "all must have prizes", "instant respect without any effort" "Free GCSEs" culture which has created such a dismal education system that virtually any foreign educated youngster can read and write better English, do maths, and manage to turn up on time for a job better than the locals.

Meldrew lives!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 27, 2009, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: beagle on April 27, 2009, 08:09:17 PM
You're confusing my loathing of the corrupt, undemocratic, underhand and bureaucratic EU with xenophobia. 

Generalisations are always difficult - are most MEPs British then?  ;)


QuoteBy the way, it's Labour's "all must have prizes", "instant respect without any effort" "Free GCSEs" culture which has created such a dismal education system that virtually any foreign educated youngster can read and write better English, do maths, and manage to turn up on time for a job better than the locals.

Meldrew lives!

There are more and more Meldrews I find. Of course, I blame the comprehensives !  Bring back Miss Beal and Miss Bus.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on April 29, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
By the way, where IS Chatty, anyway? I hope she's busy with the tobacco plants and not hunkered down against the flu.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 29, 2009, 10:42:37 PM

She did a post a couple of days ago. She tends to just do one or two at present so if you don't read those posts, you miss her.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Swatopluk on April 30, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
Well, cynical me thinks that the English have ceased to be the masters of their language long ago.
It's even in My Fair Lady (her English is too good, she can't be English :mrgreen:) ;)
I also know some non-Germans that are better in our language than what I have to see running around the streets these days on a regular base. The useless uncultured youth of yesterday maybe spoke differently out of rebellion, the youth of today seems to never have learned it properly in the first place in some (too many) places.
And one can spot this even at the university in 'hard' sciences (up to a level that there are discussions to give worse marks, if the spelling errors go above a certain limit).
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on April 30, 2009, 10:29:19 AM

Where do you think the phrase "I'll put a spell on you" comes from? ;)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: beagle on April 30, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
She turned me into a newt.


I got better.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on May 01, 2009, 12:51:19 AM
Quote from: beagle on April 30, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
She turned me into a newt.


I got better.


......and the nose.  We did the nose.

But....she *is* a Witch!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Pachyderm on May 01, 2009, 01:56:49 PM
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere.  Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bluenose on May 01, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
Burn her!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on May 01, 2009, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: Bluenose on May 01, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
Burn her!

Throw her into the pond!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bruder Cuzzen on May 01, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
We must be certain she is lighter than a duck !
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bluenose on May 01, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
No no no no!  If she weighs the same as a duck, then she's made of wood, and therefore a witch!

Of course, we could try to build a bridge out of her...
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on May 01, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
Quote from: Bluenose on May 01, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
No no no no!  If she weighs the same as a duck, then she's made of wood, and therefore a witch!

Of course, we could try to build a bridge out of her...

Pray tell, what else floats in water, aside from witches?

Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Darlica on May 02, 2009, 10:54:57 AM
Hey!

I can float with out moving a limb...
And with my crude but still knowledge about herb remedies, general psychology and tarot cards I would probably be concerned a full fledged witch by any member of the inquisition...

I've also been known to be able to stare at women hitting on my man in a way that make her start waking backwards stumble over fall on her bum then almost run away... :smirk_orange:

;D   

(Pehaps I should make a witch smily...)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: anthrobabe on May 02, 2009, 11:11:43 AM
 8)

Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on May 02, 2009, 03:55:27 PM
 :witch:

Nice!

There are a bunch of people here that would probably have been fried way back when.

Or maybe we're fried now?
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on May 03, 2009, 02:01:10 AM
This is the hell we were sent to.;)
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Opsa on May 03, 2009, 03:28:46 PM
And/or the heaven!  :-*
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Scriblerus the Philosophe on May 03, 2009, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on April 30, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
Well, cynical me thinks that the English have ceased to be the masters of their language long ago.
It's even in My Fair Lady (her English is too good, she can't be English :mrgreen:) ;)
I also know some non-Germans that are better in our language than what I have to see running around the streets these days on a regular base. The useless uncultured youth of yesterday maybe spoke differently out of rebellion, the youth of today seems to never have learned it properly in the first place in some (too many) places.
And one can spot this even at the university in 'hard' sciences (up to a level that there are discussions to give worse marks, if the spelling errors go above a certain limit).
Noticed that myself. OUt of a group of friends I had in high school (there were five of us), only two of us were native speakers. The others learned Farsi, Hmong, and Chinese first and *then* English. We all speak at the same level of fluency, which seemed to be much higher than a lot of our class mates. I think it's got to do with having college educated parents.
Anyway.

Quote from: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on May 01, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
Quote from: Bluenose on May 01, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
No no no no!  If she weighs the same as a duck, then she's made of wood, and therefore a witch!

Of course, we could try to build a bridge out of her...

Pray tell, what else floats in water, aside from witches?


A duck!
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Griffin NoName on May 03, 2009, 11:01:32 PM
Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on May 03, 2009, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on May 01, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
Pray tell, what else floats in water, aside from witches?
A duck!

....out for a duck....but that's zero.... that is, nothing else floats !

And now, we should debate whether it is floats in water, or floats on water ;D
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Earthling on May 22, 2009, 05:56:08 AM
Or perhaps floats toward water.

I'm gushingly impressed by Chatty's actions. I haven't snooped around enough to know if I'm on the same continent as her, but I'm fairly sure we're on the same planet, and her presence makes it feel a little nicer somehow. I think I'm going to like it here at least as much as over at venganza.

Time to turn back into a turtle.
Title: Re: Sibling Chatty Goes To Jail
Post by: Bluenose on May 22, 2009, 08:39:51 AM
Sibling Chatty is definitely one formidable lady... 

BTW, I certainly hope you do enjoy it here Earthling, this is a gentle corner of the interwebbs.