Where do you spend these last days, before the black hole of LHC?
there is 1 change on 50.000.000 that the planet earth will die for an artificial black hole......but, remember the law of Murphy......and to day is Sant'Umberto di Marailles. :wheee: :explode:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_there_gonna_be_a_black_hole_on_wednesday_10_september_2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
Being already virtual, perhaps we spend them in the Toadfish Monastery? You never know, virtual worlds may behave differently in black holes. I am a little worried about wormholes too.
I'm sure it will be read with joy at this side of the Atlantic, with the fundies crowning Dick Cheney (or Mrs Palin) as the 2nd coming of Jesuschrist who were always preparing us for (the now appropriately named) rapture. :mrgreen:
But the bible does not say anything about black holes in the apocalypse iirc.
The fiery pit is assumed to be well lighted.
More serious (and therefore inappropriate here): Any black hole that could be created by that machine would be so instable that it would evaporate before it could eat anything to grow. Don't forget that gravity is by many orders of magnitude weaker than all other fundamental interaction. Iirc an atom that would try to work with gravity instead of electromagnetism would be far smaller than the minimum length were all physical models known to us don't apply anymore.
I heard about the LHC wormholes of doom theory last night. To me it sounds as possible as the the idea that it will work as an interstellar portal like "stargate", not very likely, that is.
The Bible does talk about a bottomless pit. :mrgreen: So will this be a remake of "Prince of Darkness" but with a super-collider instead of an ancient sealed container?
A stable micro blackhole sounds extremely unlikely but a wonderful weapon for a scifi novel. ;)
I sort of hope it gets set up. There's like a one to 10^11 chance it'll end the world. Would be cool to play with, though.
Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on September 06, 2008, 10:32:13 PM
I sort of hope it gets set up. There's like a one to 10^11 chance it'll end the world. Would be cool to play with, though.
I'm not convinced the world has started yet.
Might explain a few things, really.
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 06, 2008, 02:28:25 PM
But the bible does not say anything about black holes in the apocalypse iirc.
The fiery pit is assumed to be well lighted.
7th september 2008>>>>>>>>>Santa Regina di Alise
purpose of the experiment of next 10 september is the particle of God, the bosone of Higgs.
we are at Apocaypse now, and nobody talked to us :candle: :tlite: :candle: :pillar: :giveadamn: :giveadamn: :giveadamn: :giveadamn:
E.!
Don' weight fer thee hack off a lips to poste moor offin!
P.
I look forward to E.'s translation of Thee Pirate Speak to the Italian to the Inglesi !! ;D ;D
:ROFL:
E como parli i pirati in italiano? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What? I thought the rapture was coming in 2012.
What if they gave a rapture and nobody came?
Actually, even if the LHC does infact make a tiny black hole that is stable, a far from likely event, I have my dounts about how long it may take to end the world. Since it would be made from a sub atomic particle (or perhaps the collision of two such, it would necessaril;y be much smaller than an atom, or even an atomic nucleus. Therefore, as the little beastie falls trought the Earth, it would not actually collide with much, or very often, given that matter at that scale is almost entirely made of nothing. Ignoring the effects of Hawking radiation, I think it might take a very long time indeed before it grew to a size that would have any noticeable effect on the planet. It would not surprise me to learn that the time frame involved would be greater than the expected life-span of the Earth in any case. In other words, the Earth might just get swallowed up by the sun well before it gets sucked into the black hole.
Of course all this is entirely speculative and I do not have the Maths to prove any of it, but what the hey?
As long as they have crowbars handy in case of a resonance cascade, that's fine by me.
Does anyone know what time it's going to happen? It'll probably happen while most of us Amerikaners are waking up.
~Qwerty
About 08:30 BST or 07:30 GMT which I think is 03:30 U.S. East Coast Daylight time. Though in the best tradition of Physics experiment it will probably need thumping and kicking for a while.
More stuff here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/bigbang/programmes.shtml). Even if you're keen enough to stay awake I don't know if Radio 4 lets you receive it outside the UK via internet. Some stuff gets blocked for copyright reasons. However if CERN gave them exclusive access it's likely they'd insist on allowing it out, rather than insisting on keeping it in.
There are some people down a Welsh mineshaft here who reckon they'll find dark matter while the LHC people are still saving up for the electricity bill.
Lobby your congressperson to get busy; you must not allow a mineshaft gap!
P.S.
I'm not sure exactly what is going to happen at zero hour. Possibly the sound of several hundred physicists hunting in the dark to find the fuse box.
An interesting aspect of a (in my view physically impossible) stable black hole of the mass of an elementary particle would be its charge. Since it is assumed that the charge would be conserved, a black hole made from a proton or electron would interact with its environment more strongly by the electromagnetic force than by gravity.
Wouldn't a quantum black hole heat up the Earth?
I think they switched it on last Thursday, but the ceremony was incorrectly scheduled, and the VIP's couldn't get out of their other commitments.
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 09, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
An interesting aspect of a (in my view physically impossible) stable black hole of the mass of an elementary particle would be its charge.
Possibly it could save our market economy and bail out the banks if it charges enough ;)
Quote from: beagle on September 09, 2008, 07:29:58 AM
About 08:30 BST or 07:30 GMT which I think is 03:30 U.S. East Coast Daylight time. Though in the best tradition of Physics experiment it will probably need thumping and kicking for a while.
More stuff here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/bigbang/programmes.shtml). Even if you're keen enough to stay awake I don't know if Radio 4 lets you receive it outside the UK via internet. Some stuff gets blocked for copyright reasons. However if CERN gave them exclusive access it's likely they'd insist on allowing it out, rather than insisting on keeping it in.
There are some people down a Welsh mineshaft here who reckon they'll find dark matter while the LHC people are still saving up for the electricity bill.
Lobby your congressperson to get busy; you must not allow a mineshaft gap!
P.S.
I'm not sure exactly what is going to happen at zero hour. Possibly the sound of several hundred physicists hunting in the dark to find the fuse box.
I've never been anywhere near a Welsh mine shaft I'll have you know! >:(
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on September 09, 2008, 10:37:57 AM
Wouldn't a quantum black hole heat up the Earth?
Not until it exploded.... ;D
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 09, 2008, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 09, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
An interesting aspect of a (in my view physically impossible) stable black hole of the mass of an elementary particle would be its charge.
Possibly it could save our market economy and bail out the banks if it charges enough ;)
A stable black hole could be used to get rid of nuclear waste too.
Wouldn't the resulting Hawking radiation be worse? ;)
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 09, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 09, 2008, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 09, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
An interesting aspect of a (in my view physically impossible) stable black hole of the mass of an elementary particle would be its charge.
Possibly it could save our market economy and bail out the banks if it charges enough ;)
A stable black hole could be used to get rid of nuclear waste too.
Could we feed it all our politicians and lawyers? We could tell them that it's their new place to practice law.... ? Please?
Quote from: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on September 09, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 09, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 09, 2008, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 09, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
An interesting aspect of a (in my view physically impossible) stable black hole of the mass of an elementary particle would be its charge.
Possibly it could save our market economy and bail out the banks if it charges enough ;)
A stable black hole could be used to get rid of nuclear waste too.
Could we feed it all our politicians and lawyers? We could tell them that it's their new place to practice law.... ? Please?
Could we tell them that these are Cheney-approved bunkers? Please?
Perhaps the Phelps should be the first to set up practise over there... Lawyers and religious nuts...
Sorry, not very Toadfishy but irresistible. :oops: ;D
Quote from: Sibling Qwertyuiopasd on September 09, 2008, 06:31:47 AM
As long as they have crowbars handy in case of a resonance cascade, that's fine by me.
~Qwerty
I never thought I'd see a resonance cascade. Let alone create one.
Why do we all have to wear these ridiculous ties?
Everone has to wear ties in the bunker. Otherwise they might just drift off down a mine shaft.
Apparently anyone who can receive transmissions from the BBC can watch the world end from 8:30 am tomorrow morning.
What's the reception like at the bottom of that mine shaft Bart?
Honestly, this is sort of getting to me.
Not that I really think a stable black hole will be created in the LHC but some peoples reactions. Are we going to have a mass psychosis about this within a months time when the real tests begin?
Swedish media is usually level-headed but it seems like we're turning towards the Fox's News type of journalism, "if we interview one scientist that agree with 98% of all other scientists in this question and one wannabe scientist with a different view than these 98% preferable one that will make good headlines about death and destruction we make good and democratic journalism, in the best interest of the general public".
My idea of good journalism in this case would be a clear description of what will be going inside LHC preferable with some good graphics, explaining that the difference between what will happen inside the accelerator and what happens outside in the sunshine every day is the controlled environment, the cameras, and the fact that the energy will not come from the sun directly.
Physics seem to have become the new black magic.
People fear what they don't understand that's how we seem to work, media making money on peoples fears for this must be like stealing candy from a kid. Most of us aren't educated in advanced physics after all so it must be easier to scare the jeebus out of a higher percentage of the people with news of this kind than most other doomsday stories.
And then we have this and this 2012 business. It haven't hit the news mills here yet but it will, but we take that another day.
Quote from: Darlica on September 10, 2008, 12:54:17 AM
Honestly, this is sort of getting to me.
Physics seem to have become the new black magic.
People fear what they don't understand that's how we seem to work, media making money on peoples fears for this must be like stealing candy from a kid. Most of us aren't educated in advanced physics after all so it must be easier to scare the jeebus out of a higher percentage of the people with news of this kind than most other doomsday stories.
And then we have this and this 2012 business. It haven't hit the news mills here yet but it will, but we take that another day.
I think that's the point really. We have to evolve into the next level of consciousness because more and more humans cannot understand what is being exposed by others (mostly scientists of one kind or another). It cannot continue
;D BBC news report tonight contained a bicycle tour around and short interview with one of the scientists down there to explain in very simple terms why it wasn't dangerous.
Amongst a lot of other easy to understand sentences, he said we have much stronger particles passing right through us all the time.
I thought that would probably alarm a good few people, especially considering his headgear.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e284/Griffinit/hardhat.jpg)
Physics seem to have become the new black magic.
No, physics has always been seen as black magic. Chaos theory, strange matter, bosons, quarks and the wheel.
Remember kids, science is teh evilz. That's why teaching evolution is so dangerous... ::) ::)
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Seriously speaking though, CERN is the next step in an arms race, a tool to make the most powerful fuel in the world: antimatter. Actually they have been trying to bottle the stuff for a while although it is a bit difficult so we are not in any immediate danger, but certainly in a few years when the process gets ironed out it things like CERN and Fermilab can potentially become the uranium enrichment facilities of the future.
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Are scared yet?
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And for a reality check:
Quote from: WikipediaRecent data released by CERN states that when fully operational their facilities are capable of producing 107 antiprotons per second.Assuming an optimal conversion of antiprotons to antihydrogen, it would take two billion years to produce 1 gram of antihydrogen.
[snip]
Antimatter is said to be the most expensive substance in existence, with an estimated cost of $300 billion per milligram.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I think the world as we know it will end tomorrow, but not in a way anyone expects.
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)
And for a reality check:
Quote from: WikipediaRecent data released by CERN states that when fully operational their facilities are capable of producing 107 antiprotons per second.Assuming an optimal conversion of antiprotons to antihydrogen, it would take two billion years to produce 1 gram of antihydrogen.
Oh Noes!Not ... a Fully Operational Death Star CERN! (http://www.pixelbuddy.com/images/darth_vader.gif)
Help us, Obi-Wan Kenobi! You are our only hope!
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 10, 2008, 01:53:31 AM
I thought that would probably alarm a good few people, especially considering his headgear.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e284/Griffinit/hardhat.jpg)
Hey, A Bob the Builder Hat!! KEWL!!
Quote from: Opsanus tau on September 08, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
What? I thought the rapture was coming in 2012.
What if they gave a rapture and nobody came?
What if they gave a rapture and nobody left?? I'm countin' on inheritin' their stuff to pay for me old age... :( :P
It's like when they dropped the atomic bomb. Scientists thought it might boil the ocean, or even the atmosphere, end the world and all that.
Turned out, it just made a really big boom. (With localized side effects).
~Qwerty
Quote from: Sibling Chatty on September 10, 2008, 05:17:45 AM
Quote from: Opsanus tau on September 08, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
What? I thought the rapture was coming in 2012.
What if they gave a rapture and nobody came?
What if they gave a rapture and nobody left?? I'm countin' on inheritin' their stuff to pay for me old age... :( :P
Me, too.
Well, it's D-Day. Are we still here?
And more importantly: Is Qwerty still Bono?
oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-
Jap: Oshi = Hello? iirc (at least as far as telephone customs are concerned)
Oishi = delicious ;)
BTW, isn't today just the warm-up testing, with the first collisions to start in a week or few?
A month from now actually.
Here, there was wartime headlines yesterday all death and destruction, today barely a line about the world still being around and nobody getting hurt or even that no actual collisions took place... ::) Only one of the big daily newspapers have kept their feet on the ground and remained sane, unfortunately it's the most conservative one.
It's had some odd effect on the BBC. They used yesterday's news again today.
Probably intended to be a subliminal message to the populace that the world has in fact ended.
Almost 6pm Pacific time. Not dead yet.
Almost 11:15pm Pacific time.
Still dead.
~Ytrewq
I don't think you guys are taking this seriously enough. I've seen Ghostbusters and I know what happens when you cross the beams. I just don't want to be the one who has to clean up all the marshmallow...
All we need is mug of hot chocolate the size of Minnesota....
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 11, 2008, 12:03:52 AM
It's had some odd effect on the BBC. They used yesterday's news again today.
Probably intended to be a subliminal message to the populace that the world has in fact ended.
No that's just the BBC repeating everything as usual.
No the world did not end but we were 'Quatum Jumped' into a parallel universe...that's the only explanation I can give to England beating Croatia 4-1.
And Scotland actually won a game!
If this is the result, more fiddling with the fabric of space and time, please.
Well, they turned it on yesterday, but it wont' actually reach impressive, explody levels of energy until like next month.
so October 10th is the new doomsday. a day after I turn 16. How wonderful.
However, the influx of particle physics jokes has made me use the Half-life reference "I never thought I'd see a ________, let alone create one!" from Half-Life. Anything works! Bowl of Chili, for example, was one I used today.
~Qwerty
Oh yeah... knew you were a fall baby, Q... forgot it was the same week as me. I thought it was September 19th for some reason. Someone I know has Sept 19 as a b-day, and I can't recall who it is.
Was gonna send you some stuff (CDs, books - since TOP days) for the occasion but you danged kids can get everything for free of teh Intarwebz these days. Will have to plot something more original I suppose. :P
CDs and Books are still good! All I know I'm getting fersheezy is two pirate hats. and maybe spore, or i'll just buy it with money from it.
but I'm reading more non-school stuff, and new music is always wunnerful.
~Qwerty
Hmm... maybe the original CD plan is good, would have to ponder the book options because I was originally going to send you a Satanic Bible. You can get your hands on that one yourself I suppose; only about 1/4th of it is of real interest (IMHO) anyways.
Actually, I know a good author to package with the CD.
Satanic Bible would be a nice addition to the collection, but I'm not into that stuff as much as I used to.
wow, 8th grade sure made me want to worship Satan.
~Qwerty
Nah, I have a much better alternative picked out. But you need to find something you want on Amazon.com for 13 cents so I can get free shipping. ;D
Doesn't much matter since the black holes will eat us before your birthday (we now return to our regular programming).
Quote from: Sibling Qwertyuiopasd on September 11, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
wow, 8th grade sure made me want to worship Satan.
~Qwerty
:ROFL:
I'm sure it has that effect on many individualists.
Many Individualists... is that an oxymoron?
~Qwerty
Quote from: Swatopluk on September 09, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
A stable black hole could be used to get rid of nuclear waste too.
can you explain better?
do their missile's heads by neutron catchers work again? :mrgreen:
edited only to include Swato as author of the quoted material ~Griffin
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on September 08, 2008, 04:06:30 AM
E como parli i pirati in italiano? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
No no signori adesso... i pirati non parlano in italiano per se... parlano semmai napoletano o sardo :daz:
(no guys now... pirates do not speak italian... they might speak Naples' dilatect or sandinia's)
LOL
That makes sense, why using a funny accent when you can use a full fledged dialect.
Now I wonder what would've happened if the classic Elizabethan pirates spoke in Welsh. ;) :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Hit wood sownd thuslie:
Hup to thee breache, ye dogges! avaunt, ye culley-yons!
By Cheshu, 'e be an ass, as in thee worlde: Oi will verify has muche inne 'is beerde: 'e 'as no moor de-wrevckshuns inne thee troo dissiplins ov thee warrrghs, look ye, ov thee roamin' dissiplins, than is a puppy-dogge.
Certenly, aunchient, it be not a fing ter rejoice hat: for if, look ye, 'e were mye bruvver, Oi wood desire thee duke ter yuse 'is good pleshure, an put 'im ter hexecyooshun; fer dissiplin otte ter be yoosed.
Perhaps the cacophany of voices would drown out the sound of the Big Bang. ;)
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on November 21, 2008, 12:14:36 PM
That makes sense, why using a funny accent when you can use a full fledged dialect.
Now I wonder what would've happened if the classic Elizabethan pirates spoke in Welsh. ;) :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Bore Da, Blae mae Yorrick?
Quote from: Black Bart on November 25, 2008, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on November 21, 2008, 12:14:36 PM
That makes sense, why using a funny accent when you can use a full fledged dialect.
Now I wonder what would've happened if the classic Elizabethan pirates spoke in Welsh. ;) :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Bore Da, Blae mae Yorrick?
Would it make a jot of difference if uttered by anyone looking like BB ?
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