In case anyone's missed it, Sarah Palin is McCain's running mate.
And, in case anyone is unfamiliar with her, the L.A. Times has this (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/la-oe-rutten30-2008aug30,0,2288193.column)
Excerpt:
QuotePalin is emphatically not that sort of woman. She is, however, the sort who fires the enthusiasm of the religious right and the GOP's socially conservative wing. That's where her presence on the ticket really helps McCain, whose popularity in that crucial part of the Republican base never has been better than tepid. As a correspondent for the Christian Broadcasting Network reported Friday, evangelical leaders literally hugged each other "in joy" when Palin's name was announced.
It's easy to see why. Palin is an evangelical Christian, a creationist and opposed to abortion and same-sex marriage. (Alaska was one of the first states to amend its constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage, and Palin supported that 1998 measure.) She also happens to be a lifetime member of the National Rifle Assn. and a hunting and fishing enthusiast whose favorite dish is moose stew.
With her but one ancient, creaky heartbeat from Commander In Chief, you could easily say goodbye to science in the classroom....
I've been in e-mails and on the phone with friends in Alaska.
The McCain bumper stickers are vanishing, and more Bob Barr ones are popping up
She took the governorship there without the state party's support. And she's been a pretty effective fiscal reformer.
But I think she's also a sacrifice candidate, to not befoul Romney and especially Pawlenty with the soon-to-be-acquired stench of McCain Failure.
Or as some already name her: Miers - the Sequel
Ew! I was thinking she looks like a Christian Evangialist just looking at her. *sigh*
Consolation Prize! Wanna vagina? HAVE A VAGINA!
This, I think, should be the new McCain campaign slogan.
~Qwerty
But she has foreign policy experience! She lives in a state bordering Russia!!
That's not a joke. Someone actually used that argument :headbang:
Who used that??? Were they not around to remember the break up of Pangea?
Well , Alaska is right next to Canada .
Faux News (why do you have to ask? ;))
just google Palin + Russia
or go to youtube and try: doocy palin russia
Well, how about this one, sucka?
Palin... rhymes with STALIN!
Talk about a pinko commie in the white house....
~Qwerty
I am more for Michael Palin in drag ads :mrgreen:
And I'd use Terry Jones in Eric the Viking for the global warming denial (Hy-Brasil is not sinking!)
since Swato's references go over my head, I'll just build upon my previous statement.
Palin = Stalin
Obama = Osama
Well, Stalin ruled without religion, like China and most communist countries. So basically an atheist.
Osama, probably killed less people than Stalin, and did what he did in the name of god. Well, one of them anyway.
Osama may not have as much experience as Stalin, but he'll hold true to his core beliefs.
...I can't go on.
~Qwerty
Kulturbanause!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_the_viking
Quote
Back in the King's Hall, Sven, Sven's dad and Harald are wide awake,
but for the moment paralysed, as bits of masonry crash around them. The
cheerful figure of King Arnulf appears at the top of a stairway. He
raises his hands.
KING ARNULF Stay calm! This is NOT happening.
The King then hurries out of a door at the top of the staircase.
SVEN'S DAD What did he say?
ERIK Look out!
The doors of the Great Hall burst open and a wall of water crashes
through, knocking the Vikings off their feet. There is little doubt
that the whole of Hy-Brasil is sinking see a street go down, a statue
sink and then we
Cut to a close-up of King Arnulf.
He is standing at the top of the Forum steps addressing a crowd of
anxious citizens. They are keeping surprisingly good order considering
they are already standing ankle-deep in water, and the whole town is
rapidly sinking around them.
KING ARNULF Now, I know what some of you must be thinking... the day has
come.... we're all going down, etc. etc. But let's get away
from the fantasy and look at the FACTS.
FACT ONE - The threat of total destruction has kept the peace
for one thousand years.
FACT TWO - The chances of it failing now are therefore one in
three hundred and sixty-five thousand.
FACT THREE...
By this time the water is up to people's knees, and several have
crowded onto the lower steps to avoid getting wet.
KING ARNULF FACT THREE - Our safety regulations are the most rigorous in
the world. We are all nice to each other, we never rub each
other up the wrong way or contradict each other, do we?
CROWD No.
Rumble. The buildings sink and masonry falls.
CITIZEN We... er... do seem to be going down quite fast, Your Majesty
- not trying to contradict you, course.
KING ARNULF No, of course you're not, citizen. But let's stick to the
facts. There has NEVER been a safer, more certain way of
keeping the peace. So whatever's happening, you can rest
assured, Hy-Brasil is NOT sinking. Repeat, NOT sinking.
We cut to an unfortunate Hy-Brasilian who looks out of a window to see
if it's raining, but is immersed before he can find out.
The citizens in the Forum, however, are reassured by the King's words
- even though they are now up to their waists in water. One of them
steps forward.
ANOTHER CITIZEN May I just make a point in support of what King Arnulf's just
said?
KING ARNULF We'd be delighted - wouldn't we?
CITIZENS Yes, we'd certainly like to hear what one of us has got to
say...
Erik, Sven, Sven's dad and Harald struggle out of the Great Hall,
carrying their belongings and the Horn Resounding, while the citizen is
still speaking most articulately in support of the King. They are
ALMOST in a panic.
ERIK What are you all doing?
CITIZEN AT THE BACK (cheerfully) It's all right. It's not happening.
ERIK (urgently) The place is sinking!
CITIZEN AT THE BACK Yes... I thought it was too, but the King's just pointed
out that it can't be.
CITIZEN (still speaking in support of the King) ...and, of course, we mustn't
forget King Arnulf's EXCELLENT eye for flower-arranging.
There is a smattering of applause. A few people pull their robes up out
of the wet. Erik leaps onto a wall and shouts to the crowd.
ERIK Save yourselves! Hy-Brasil... is sinking.
There are a lot of knowing smiles amongst the citizens.
CITIZEN FROM MIDDLE Look, you don't know our safety regulations.
KING ARNULF It can't happen.
ERIK But it IS! Look!
KING ARNULF (ignoring Erik) The important thing is not to panic.
CITIZENS Quite... yes... we understand....
KING ARNULF I've already appointed the Chancellor as Chairman of a com-
mittee to find out exactly what IS going on, and meantime I
suggest we have a sing-song!
CITIZENS Good idea!
ANOTHER Can we do the one that goes "TUM-TI-TUM-TI-TUM-TI-TUM"?
Erik looks around in despair.
Meanwhile in another street someone is struggling in the floodwater.
LOKI I can't swim! I can't swim!
KEITEL Relax!
LOKI I'm drowning! Help!
Loki grabs Keitel round the neck.
KEITEL Let go!
But Keitel is pulled under. He re-emerges spluttering.
KEITEL Urrgh! Argh! Let go, you idiot!
LOKI Help!
KEITEL You'll drown us bo...
But they go under again. At this point Erik, Sven, Sven's dad and
Harald swim round the corner, pushing the Horn Resounding. They see the
figures disappearing under the water.
KEITEL Help!
LOKI Help!
Erik, Sven and Co. swim as fast as they can to rescue the drowning
pair. They struggle to overpower the panic-stricken Loki, but he puts
up a manic fight. Unexpectedly, Harald Missionary suddenly unleashes a
vicious right hook and lays Loki out cold. There is a moment's stunned
silence that is no unmingled with indignation.
SVEN (with hurt surprise) You hit him!
HARALD Well, it's what you're supposed to do... isn't it?
SVEN'S DAD Look!
They look up as GOLDEN DRAGON sails around a corner of the street,
piloted by Aud. As the Vikings scramble aboard, the sound of the
"sing-song" reaches a particularly noisy and discordant climax attract
their attention.
Back in what was the Forum, a crowd of unconcerned-looking citizens is
sitting on the last roof and just coming to the end of another
appalling song.
CITIZENS ...Te...Tum!
KING You know, I think we're getting better.
CITIZEN 1 (with genuine interest) How can you tell?
KING (a bit stumped) Er...
AUD Father!
The King looks up.
KING ARNULF It's all right! It isn't happening!
AUD But, Father, it IS!
ERIK Get on board!
CITIZEN 2 No THANKS!
CITIZEN 3 Who do you think YOU are?
CITIZEN 1 Panic-monger!
The roof is now sinking rapidly, though the citizens appear as
unperturbed as ever.
CITIZEN Leave us alone!
SVEN Yeah. Leave 'em alone.
AUD It's sinking! Hy-Brasil is sinking!
KING ARNULF Well, my dear, I think you'll find it's all a question of what
you want to believe in.... I have slightly more experience of
these matters than you...
Unfortunately, at this point, the entire gathering of citizens, the
King and the Forum Temple disappear below the waves.
Terry Jones (of Monty Python fame) plays King Arnulf.
And this movie is almost 20 years old!
NPR had a long-ish bit about Palin this A.M.
Nothing at ALL about her anti-abortion stance, her pro-creationism (and anti-science), her evangelical junk.
They did manage to mention she has little or no (read: zero) experience in foreign policy. One young man they interviewed didn't like that at all--- but I got the strong impression what he didn't like most of all, was that she was.... "a she". LOL!
The real base for McCain is the right-wing religi-nazis. And those folk prefer their wimmin' folk at home, preferably cookin' up 'nother baby.... how DARE a wimmin get ideas of leadership.... !
Ought to be an interesting mix-up....
The baby with Down Syndrome will also be a two-edged sword. It can (and will) be used both in her favor and against her.
The Dems should be very careful about that, except it is turned by the GOP campaign into her equivalent of the Son of Cains POW time (then the gloves are off).
On the other hand, if it were Obama's child, we would be drowned in a whisper/smear campaign about the Muslim <n-word> with the Mongol brat (with the GOP denying any connection to that of course)
I don't think anyone would pick on Palin because she has a child with Down Syndrome, not anybody that should be voting anyway. Personally I think someone with Down Syndrome would make a better president than McW. :mrgreen:
There are rumors (I did not check the believability) that the DS child is actually not hers but that of her (underage) daughter. If that were true (although I doubt it), it would be a virtual nuke.
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Btw, why does the floor look like the Union Jack?
(http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/goppodiumsmall.jpg)
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/goppodiumsmall.jpg
(design for the GOP convention hall)
Others also feel strong Nuremberg (pre-1945) vibes with that setting
I was so not surprised at this McCain stunt. I knew when I heard that he was waiting to see who Obama picked for VP running mate that he would choose either a woman or an African-American man. I know that the republicans chose her becuse she has a vagina but otherwise has all the right-wing correctness about her. What a weirdo! I can see in McCain's grimace that it's killing him to be running with a woman. It's all too hilarious. He has totally shot himself in the foot.
:ROFL:
I don't know that he shot himself in the foot. The word I hear from the Republikan sheeple is that they are very happy with her.
Quote from: Swatopluk on August 30, 2008, 02:23:20 PM
Btw, why does the floor look like the Union Jack?
The Mancunian Candidate?
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on August 30, 2008, 06:19:07 PM
I don't know that he shot himself in the foot. The word I hear from the Republikan sheeple is that they are very happy with her.
Some like her-- she's a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth fundie.
But for some-- in secret? Vote for a wimmin? No Way!
:ROFL:
So vote for wimmin or vote for a %^&$#^. I'm betting they'll pick the gun toting fundie. :-\
At least the Son of Cain achieved one thing with this: all the media now discuss it/her instead of Big O's speech.
Btw, I think it was a good speech but don't understand the superlatives many usually sane people use to describe it.
I am not a soundbite fetishist but for what has been described as one of the most brilliant speeches in US history there was a certain shortage of really memorable sentences that people will be able to recite 50 years from now (like MLK's "I have a dream" or Kennedy's "Don't ask..."). This convention was a memorable one for the high number of talented orators and inspiring speeches and it may mark a turning point for the country but the effect was not imo in the single Obama speech but in the obviously meticulously prepared sequence of all the important ones with Obama's as the cap stone (I deliberately avoid the term apex or crown here).
Apparently McCain (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2637035/John-McCain-A-US-presidential-campaign-defined-by-wars-past-and-present.html) is a bit hawkish for the Torygraph. Unfortunately elsewhere our media gives the impression that the Democrats are rather like Labour pre-Blair, (busy fighting internal battles and not connecting with the swing voter electorate). Perhaps Obama should strike a secret deal to hand over to Hillary after five years (then again, perhaps not...).
The cover of this week's Economist has "Bring back the real McCain" and on the article mentions how he should 'separate himself' from dubya. Please don't tell me that the Torygraph and the Economist are made/owned by the same people. :o
Not as far as I know, though they're not that dissimilar in outlook, favouring economic liberalism, deregulation and global free trade.
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on August 30, 2008, 06:19:07 PM
I don't know that he shot himself in the foot. The word I hear from the Republikan sheeple is that they are very happy with her.
Yeah. I had the misfortune to listen to Hannity or Limbaugh (not sure which) and he was absolutely ecstatic about the choice.
Analysis from this guy (http://triptychr.deviantart.com/journal/20216140/).
QuoteWas it only to take female votes away, or is there something more? Her farther right stance than McCain throws a line to many in the Republican party who were floundering over McCain in the first place. And the fact that she's a "hockey mom" in one of the states that's been farthest from Washington will make it more of a challenge to pin any dirt on her.
Quote from: beagle on August 30, 2008, 10:16:47 PM
Apparently McCain (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2637035/John-McCain-A-US-presidential-campaign-defined-by-wars-past-and-present.html) is a bit hawkish for the Torygraph. Unfortunately elsewhere our media gives the impression that the Democrats are rather like Labour pre-Blair, (busy fighting internal battles and not connecting with the swing voter electorate). Perhaps Obama should strike a secret deal to hand over to Hillary after five years (then again, perhaps not...).
Mm, dunno about that. Didn't Bill tell the Democractic masses to get behind Obama? As I recall, there was a great big rift the Clintons and Obamas, and his support (how ever fake or for the party it may have been) might be a step towards unity?
There are some who ate Hillary's rhetoric and will not vote for Obama no matter what (and I wouldn't be surprised if they are closeted racists), so for them the choice doesn't make any difference. Those with 2 neurons firing will realize that a staunch pro-life woman will not be on their own interest*.
*then again I'm counting on the intelligence of voters... ::)
A thin thing to count on indeed, as the last two consecutive elections have shown.
Part of the problem evaluating it from here is that we have no equivalent of primaries; The fight as to who will be candidate for a given post is carried out behind closed doors and is presented to the electorate as a fait accompli. Consequently it's hard to estimate how much of the Obama/Clinton division is typical of the process, and how much is deeply ingrained and party-alliance-changing.
Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on August 30, 2008, 11:51:52 PM
A thin thing to count on indeed, as the last two consecutive elections have shown.
Even, if we subtract the Diebold factor*, there are too many of those that Mr.Barnum bet his money on being born in short sequence (1 per minute)
*don't nail me that factors are for multiplication/diviosn not adding/subtracting
Suckers? Voters? Why do you say that? Is not as if 90% of republicans were voting against their own interests... ::)
My mom found out about this late in the day and tried to wind me up about it. I had already read -- and double-checked -- more info about this choice than I could believe and expressed my agreement with those who think this is the latest in the Repub's back-handed slaps against women.
Sadly, I think she's warming to her since I've been speaking critically of her Evangelical pandering and eagerness to not only rape her own state for crude oil profits, but stance on undermining so-called Women's Issues.
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[:offtopic:] :soapbox:
Mom watched Obama's acceptance speech with me and acted receptive. She also claimed that she never liked Bush from the start (a bald-faced lie, which she repeatedly makes of late). I reminded her that I called and begged every one in the family to *not* vote for Bush either time, which they all did anyway, bamboozled by flags and bibles and fear-mongering, and were showing every indication of going down that road a third time. She denied it.
Well, my brother drove down today to help with stuff here. Mom -- aka "The Chameleon" -- smarmily brought up politics at *BOTH* lunch *AND* dinner. Tension ensued. Perceiving my brother as having more status than me, she immediately back-pedaled on every negative thing she's said about McCain and slurred Obama in her own ... particular idiom ... to curry favor with her son.
She brought up -- as she does around anyone not clearly a Dem -- that she's been "afraid" of Obama since the first time she saw him. I decided that was the *last* time she's going to say that around me and stopped washing dishes (by myself) to ask her to stop vaguely *hinting* at 'fears' and lay out what exactly she is afraid of.
Kids, sit down, or maybe even lay down on the floor...
All the prophecies, from Nostradamus and the Bible and everywhere, all say that he's [Obama] the End Times.
: pieces almost has an aneurysm and starts *throwing* silver into the rinse sink, one at a time :
Yes! Nostradamus foretold the coming of the AntiChrist.
: pieces is throwing silver into the sink harder and biting her tongue to keep from screaming at the sheer effing *stupidity* of what she is hearing :
The prophecies state clearly that the AntiChrist will be young, and -- and good-looking -- and the people will follow him! And he will be able to wear a turban if he wants to! ... And every time she looks at him, she thinks, 'Can it really be? Is it the End Times? Is he the AntiChrist, preparing to do bad things when he gets into office?
: pieces turns on the autoclave-hot-water full-blast to rinse the silver and drown out the *unbelievable* stupidity prejudice she is hearing from the woman who likes to paint herself as the skeptical, savvy one at her (chronic) Bible-study classes :
Yeah, mealtimes were fun, fun, fun, today. I excused myself after finishing the dishes and went to another room so she and my brother could commiserate about the 'terrible' choices and why Ralph Nadar could 'easily' get 20% of the popular vote and really teach "them" a lesson.
(The "them" *NOT* being their neighbors who actually voted in the primaries to put these two at the heads of their respective parties, I'm guessing...)
[RANT/OFF]
I will never, ever understand people--particularly women--like your mother.
(One question I have is, how can she claim to be RC and believe Nostradamus?)
Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on August 31, 2008, 03:53:06 AM
(One question I have is, how can she claim to be RC and believe Nostradamus?)
Are you suggesting that 'catholicism' is synonym with 'consistency'? :devil2:
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In all fairness there are consistent catholics but the big majority doesn't have the foggiest clue about theological interpretations or the subtleties of the catholic dogma. In fact that applies to most christians (or people from all religions for what matters).
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on August 31, 2008, 05:45:59 AM
Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on August 31, 2008, 03:53:06 AM
(One question I have is, how can she claim to be RC and believe Nostradamus?)
Are you suggesting that 'catholicism' is synonym with 'consistency'? :devil2:
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In all fairness there are consistent catholics but the big majority doesn't have the foggiest clue about theological interpretations or the subtleties of the catholic dogma. In fact that applies to most christians (or people from all religions for what matters).
Which is kinda funny, given the whole umpteen years of CCD you're supposed to suffer through before confirmation (ok, at least since the second Vatican council).
Given the umpteen years from elementary to high school, everybody should dominate algebra, and geography, and the constitution and... :mrgreen: ;)
Quote from: pieces o nine's mother on August 31, 2008, 03:31:16 AM
All the prophecies, from Nostradamus and the Bible and everywhere, all say that he's [Obama] the End Times.
Rubbish. Can't be him
and Gordon Brown, phantom scribbler of Westminster. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2652416/Dispatch-Box-vandal-caught-in-the-act-and-culprit-is-Prime-Minister-Gordon-Brown.html)
Still, at least you can go for the "it's therefore inevitable he should be elected and you'll be carrying out God's 'mysterious ways' plan and advancing towards the beaming up of the faithful" strategy. Not a technique I'd recommend for Democratic door step canvassers in general, but it just might work here.
You guys have to watch a documentary called Jesus Camp (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Jesus_Camp/70054721?trkid=222336&lnkctr=srchrd-sr&strkid=2088860801_0_0). It's the scariest movie I have ever seen.
Or you can see a South Park version.. :mrgreen:
http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1102/Cartman-Sucks.html
Quote from: beagle
Quote from: pieces o nine's mother
All the prophecies, from Nostradamus and the Bible and everywhere, all say that he's [Obama] the End Times.
Rubbish. Can't be him and Gordon Brown, phantom scribbler of Westminster. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2652416/Dispatch-Box-vandal-caught-in-the-act-and-culprit-is-Prime-Minister-Gordon-Brown.html)
What.
What?What!You have "French Polishers"?
OoooOOOooo... :D
I cannot imagine the End-Times brouhahahah there would be if "French Polishers" infested *our* nation's capital. :D
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Update on the Family Feedback...
She's got children and one is a ... some kind of a "Special Needs" child, apparently ... people might think she's not -- you know -- a very good mother if she isn't taking care of her home and family first. They might hold it against her. : pieces points out that (1) this is not a avalid objection to any married man with children entering politics, and (2) such people usually have the means to get help with house and family, which help increases as the status and perceived responsibilities of the politician increase. :
Hmmmm, maybe her *husband* helps out with the house and kids!: pieces has no love lost for fundiegelicals in or out of politics, but experiences a 'red state' of vision at hearing such remarks coming from anyone, let alone a woman who *also* worked outside her home, for monetary compensation and personal satisfaction, leaving her *own* children to the occasional care of themselves and their father. :
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Back t'yer reg yule early skedjeweled diskushuns... :)
Quote from: Swatopluk on August 30, 2008, 12:27:56 PM
But she has foreign policy experience! She lives in a state bordering Russia!!
That's not a joke. Someone actually used that argument :headbang:
Cindy McCain!! I saw a video...the phrase Mindless Twit kept running through my mind, along with WATCH OUT FOR THAT BOOTOX, GIRLFRIEND!! :eeksign:
Quote from: Sibling Chatty on August 31, 2008, 11:47:02 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on August 30, 2008, 12:27:56 PM
But she has foreign policy experience! She lives in a state bordering Russia!!
That's not a joke. Someone actually used that argument :headbang:
Cindy McCain!! I saw a video...the phrase Mindless Twit kept running through my mind, along with WATCH OUT FOR THAT BOOTOX, GIRLFRIEND!! :eeksign:
I agree -- she is herself anti woman and she is a slap against women. But of course y'all know us wimmin need a man to keep us in line..........
Quote from: anthrobabe on September 01, 2008, 06:54:14 AM
But of course y'all know us wimmin need a man to keep us in line..........
Dan tried that. Didn't work. I even promised to not hurt him....
:devil2: :daz: :halo:
Quote from: pieces o nine on August 31, 2008, 11:25:32 PM
You have "French Polishers"? OoooOOOooo... :D
I cannot imagine the End-Times brouhahahah there would be if "French Polishers" infested *our* nation's capital. :D
The French have traditionally provided a variety of services to Londoners. French polishing in Westminster, French lessons in Soho, and so forth.
Sometimes the accent can be a little suspect though.
Quote from: Sibling Chatty on August 31, 2008, 11:47:02 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on August 30, 2008, 12:27:56 PM
But she has foreign policy experience! She lives in a state bordering Russia!!
That's not a joke. Someone actually used that argument :headbang:
Cindy McCain!! I saw a video...the phrase Mindless Twit kept running through my mind, along with WATCH OUT FOR THAT BOOTOX, GIRLFRIEND!! :eeksign:
The first one seems to have been Doocy on Faux News (and friends).
There is speculation (since now the Son of Cain's <c-word> has taken it up) that the GOP actually tries to make a meme out of that.
Which proves the perceived IQ of the average voter, IOW it may work. :o ::)
If on the other hand she sopke Russian that would make her a likely KBG mole ;D
FSB, they changed their name the same way Phillip Morris is now Altria ::) ::) ::)
But what GOP voter* would know that? They wouldn't even recognize VCK, GPU or NKWD.
FSB would probably seen as Flying Spaghetti Ball or the abbreviation for some sports team.
*or other normal people for that matter
Quote from: Swatopluk
But what GOP voter* would know that? They wouldn't even recognize VCK, GPU or NKWD.
FSB would probably seen as Flying Spaghetti Ball or the abbreviation for some sports team.
*or other normal people for that matter
I've been trying to educate selected family members about another acronym -- PNAC -- and *why* its
people members are a festering, ongoing problem. I get the impression that they honestly think I am making it up.
I'm sure they are counting on that.
To compound the CV of Mrs Palin it now transpires that her teenage daughter is pregnant (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7592636.stm). I wonder how will the media treat this one. :D
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on September 02, 2008, 01:34:22 AM
To compound the CV of Mrs Palin it now transpires that her teenage daughter is pregnant (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7592636.stm). I wonder how will the media treat this one. :D
So far it has been very interesting to say the least--- the spin begins
I think Pres. Obama put it right --- go here--- War Room (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/01/obama_responds/index.html)
or this excerpt here
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama responded in Monroe, Mich., today about the news that Bristol Palin, daughter of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, is pregnant:
"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.
"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits." end excerpt from Salon dot Com
I was 17 and pregnant and gasp--not married to the boy myself once upon a time- it is truly no reflection on my mother-then or now. My mother did not impregnate me-- Joey did with my enthusiastic assistance ;) .
Naturally the right to lifers are gleeful because it shows just how committed to 'the cause of no reproductive rights' she is.
...and how well the 'abstinence only' education works or the moral high ground embossed in the classical 'Do as I/we say not as I/we do'...
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Quote from: anthrobabe on September 02, 2008, 05:34:41 AM
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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama responded in Monroe, Mich., today about the news that Bristol Palin, daughter of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, is pregnant:
"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.
Hm, certainly not something the other side has listened to. They've all been on about how Obama has 18 siblings and how he doesn't send them all money and lets them live in Nairobi squalor ("hut-sweet-hut" as Limbaugh put it).
I personally find it mildly amusing--the uber-Christian's little girl is having a bastard child (though I agree with Obama, to be honest).
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on September 02, 2008, 05:45:59 AM
...and how well the 'abstinence only' education works or the moral high ground embossed in the classical 'Do as I/we say not as I/we do'...
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Exactly
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Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on September 02, 2008, 06:35:02 AM
Hm, certainly not something the other side has listened to. They've all been on about how Obama has 18 siblings and how he doesn't send them all money and lets them live in Nairobi squalor ("hut-sweet-hut" as Limbaugh put it).
Limbaugh is a __________________. But karma is a biotch and she has her eye on him.
I personally find it mildly amusing--the uber-Christian's little girl is having a bastard child (though I agree with Obama, to be honest).
Of course it is funny---- watching the holier than thou's squirm and all.
Actually, I do NOT agree with Obama on this one.
The Republicans will not behave with equal decorum-- just look!
The Democrats need to hammer this issue home, over and over and over.
If you are gonna wrestle with a pig, you are gonna get mud all over yourself-- if you wish to win. Trying to stay above the mud? You may as well throw in the towel now... you will loose.
History teaches this lesson, and hard. Anyone remember the phrase "Swift Boat"?
But one should go for sarah's jugular, not her daughter's.
Also she is fair game for her connection to the
secessionist Alaskan Independence Party that states on its introduction page:
Quote"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
I have to agree with Bob. If it was Chelsy Clinton that was pregnant Rush Limbaugh, et al would be all over her ready to burn her at the stake.
I don't like it, but it's true.
It can be hammered in a non-descript way:
- Mrs. Palin, what do you think about abstinence only education?
- What is your position on teen pregnancy?
- On statutory rape?
etc, etc, etc
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Absolutely. Personally I don't give a crap. I think it's in the nature of liberals not to force our opinions on others but it does make one look weak to non-liberals, if that makes any sense.
The argument is that taking the moral high road the people in the middle will be more inclined to look that way.
In reality, the people at the other side of the issue will rather have an hypocrite moving their agenda because they are hypocrites themselves (listening the morning news the comments from the religious 'righteous' were of support for her and how her daughter had trust in the family, etc, etc, bs, bs).
Exactly. Hypocrites! Remember the joke McCain told about Chelsea?
QuoteWhy is Chelsea so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno.
Did he really say that? What a horrible person.
Politics stinks because people continue to fight nasty. I don't give a carp about Mrs. Palin's pregnant daughter. She's just a kid. (By the way, I hear the father will marry her, so the child will not be a bastard- but all that's just politics, too.)
I'm sad that some people percieve the most obnoxious people as the strongest. I believe that truly obnoxious people are hiding something horribly personal behind their huje stench cloud.
Is that a shotgun marriage btw? Mrs.Palin should have no problem providing the necessary firepower. Maybe she threatend the boy to declare him a wolf and to hunt him from an airplane.
The poor boy, his MySpace page, in all its 18yearoldboyness uses the F word repetively AND says he doesn't want kids.
Shoulda kept that pony in the stable, boyo, or put a mac on...
Shotgun? I'm sure the GOP can round up something significantly larger.
He better campaign for Obama because once McPalin becomes a VP he will have nowhere to hide. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I am pretty sure that, were they (Palins&Co) democrats, the shady antisemites would start a whisper campaign about a Jewish conspiracy. Sarah? And a son-in-law-to-be Levi? ::)
Not now that Lieberman enthusiastically endorsed McSame, they're hoping that the old jews in FL vote for him. ::) ::)
Distribute more Lieberman=Palpatine flyers!
The Telegraph's view (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/)
(cartoon will change over tonight at some point).
It indeed changed
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00799/matt030908_799761a.gif)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00799/matt030908_799761a.gif
UGH she is back again. Scary, very.
Politics makes *VERY* strange bedfellows, it seems...
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One moment of crazy, lapsed judgment you can forgive, but theirs is shaping up to be a serial love-hate relationship! :P
Maybe it's a relationship ordained by The Lord?
You know, just like global warming is part of God's plan for humankind and not something for us to worry about, as Mrs. Palin stated to reporters in an interview.
Now there is serious talk about a Palin/Bachmann ticket 2012
Rated R for Rabid and Ridiculous
I wouldn't be surprised if the bet goes forward, Glenn Beck already said that Mitt Mormon is a socialist and any other prospect is either boring or as rabid (but with less followers). The chances are against her but even a slight possibility to have those in the WH is a coup on it's own.
In that case both famous quotes from Aliens would be appropriate.
I remember when Al Franken was flogging (tongue-in-cheek) for a Pat Buchanan/Bob Dornan Republican ticket. But the concept of a Palin/Bachman ticket is even more ... more ... something ....
Sadly, I have friends & relatives who would blindly support them. :-[
Ah Sarah Palin.
Suddenly I feel so much better about choosing between Brown and Cameron.
;D .....of course there are other choices..... just none of them are realistic.
Alternatives to Palin or Bachman?
Rapture?
She worries me. I haven't been paying attention to the Republican blogosphere (because most of the time, it fills me with a mixture of rage, despair, and worry) so I don't know about her chances of scoring the nomination. Though she has been stumping for Bachmann, apparently;
OTOH:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/john-mcwhorter/what-does-palinspeak-mean
As with Bush, the idea is to sound like a regular joe, (wo)man of the people and all that kind of stuff. The trick works with the current repugs as a large part of their larger constituency seems to have a lower average of academic achievement. It wouldn't work at the other side because being intelligent and articulate are desirable qualities with liberals.
The point is that they are not as stupid as they sound like, although on careful analysis you might get the hint that someone else is pulling the strings anyway.
In the case of Bachmann I am inclined to consider her really mad in a clinical sense.
Palin gives the impression of being mainly totally uninterested in the facts of the world. I don't think she is mentally retarded, just lazy and totally egocentric.
I don't know what to make of Glenn Beck. He displays many characteristics of a dry long-time alcoholic but has also been proven to fake part of his hysteria.
Limbaugh seems a total fake to me (apart from being a genuine asshole; he has not to fake that) who is actually well aware of the truth but knows that his recipe of success lies in..eh..lies.
And then there is the Newt that gives a bad name to all amphibians...
Ron Paul is again quite an enigma. His professed beliefs are a curious mix of common sense and crackpottery. There are some very nasty connections to extremists in his past (and through his son today). He seems quite intelligent. He seems to be rather consistent independent of the popularity of his views*. Is he genuine or just thinking long term (unlike the current standard GOPsters that can do multiple 180° turns within minutes)?
*He shares that with Pat Buchanan who on the other hand lacks Paul's affability and is 100% repulsive.
I'm starting to suspect Sarah Palin is actually trolling America. Moral troll is moral and all that.
Beck was, once upon a time, a pot head and an alcoholic. I think he's part nutter, part unintentional troll, part con-man.
Limbaugh is so full of bullshit, he should start a fertilizer company. I think some of it
is genuine, but he probably exaggerates for his audience's sake.
Ron Paul, I think, is genuine and a little bit crazy. And I think he does thing in terms of long term, too.
Quote from: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on April 13, 2010, 05:54:15 PM
As with Bush, the idea is to sound like a regular joe, (wo)man of the people and all that kind of stuff. The trick works with the current repugs as a large part of their larger constituency seems to have a lower average of academic achievement. It wouldn't work at the other side because being intelligent and articulate are desirable qualities with liberals.
The point is that they are not as stupid as they sound like, although on careful analysis you might get the hint that someone else is pulling the strings anyway.
I read a book (http://books.google.com/books?id=tJBgvRsZkT4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=American+Fascists:+The+Christian+Right+and+the+War+on+America%E2%80%8E&ei=D9_FS8TRHo6mlQSxyqzaDQ&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false) on right wing Christians recently and I think it's got the idea - they're by and large from the bottom rung of society and grew up in terribly dysfunctional homes and often in areas that have been devastated by our transition into a post-industrial society. Then they find Jesus in a cult form (I looked up all the traits of a cult and the churches most righties seem to follow check every single box (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_checklist)).
The book, and some other (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7235393/the_crusaders/), previous (http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisrec.html) research (http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v19n3/clarkson_dominionism.html), suggests (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/21/c_street) that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29#C_Street) it's dominionists (http://www.theocracywatch.org/)who are pulling the strings.*
*sounds kinda like a conspiracy theory, I know, but regardless a number of right wing Christian groups have undue influence in politics, including some who have Dominionist ties.
Look at some of Rachael Maddow's stuff on the secret group, The Family and their posh [nearly] rent-free digs for certain congress critters, C-street.
One such congress critter whined that his C-street "modest bed and bathroom" was mainly used for "prayer meetings and bible study"...... right.
The typical rent these C-critters pay, is $800-$900/month in digs that ought to fetch $1,600-2,000/month-- without the maid service.
So who is subsidizing these apartments? The group that owns C-street? (The Family, apparently...)
What does The Family get out of these low-rent, posh wait-hand-and-foot-including-massage services apartments? Super-close ties to the politicians? Their left nuts in a vice? What?
<gag>
You mean the maids who are actually interns?
"The Family" - kinda reminiscent of Charles Manson's Family, innit?
Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on April 15, 2010, 01:55:45 AM
You mean the maids who are actually interns?
"The Family" - kinda reminiscent of Charles Manson's Family, innit?
I'd say that was being rather generous..... of Manson's family-- C-street power-brokers are much, much worse than Manson ever was---- moreover, Manson was far more honest in his insanity.
One of my personal checkpoints to prevent all-out-partisanship is the mirror test. You know, how would I react if the *exact same* legislation / scandal / agenda / coup / what-have-you occurred on the opposite side of the aisle? (If my gut reaction is to start making justifications instead of sneering, then I'm probably being blindly partisan. If my gut reaction is to sneer rather than approve, then I'm probably being blindly partisan. Conclusion: avoid ideological hypocrisy.)
What escapes me in all the incredible mess being generated by the Faux Nation, Neocon war-without-end, down-with-the-papists-and-up-with-our-own-theocracy, 'patriot' teabaggers is that *none* of the people I know who blindly support that crap would tolerate a *hint* of the same behaviour from someone self identifying as a moderate, progressive, or liberal. On some level, they must know this, yet it seems to have absolutely no inhibitory effect on their thinking, speech or actions.
Conversely, *none* of the people I know who self identify as moderate, progressive, or liberal react with anything other than disgust and revulsion if and when one of their own is plausibly implicated -- let alone cheerfully proclaiming -- association with ugliness and true scandal.
It seems to me that the greater a person's need is to divide the world into clear, manageable dichotomies, the less his/her ability to think and act rationally.
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I'm back -- had to rummage for a bit to reloacte these ~10 minute clips again. Ironic, no? Perhaps even ... dangerous ... SUBVERSIVE ... maybe even ... PROGRESSIVE REDISTRIBUTIONARY LIBERAL FASCIO-SOCIALIST!!! :o :P
Despotism 1946 (http://www.archive.org/details/Despotis1946) Democracy 1945 (http://www.archive.org/details/democracy_1945)
The book I linked to here:
Quote from: Scriblerus the Philosophe on April 14, 2010, 04:50:19 PM
I read a book (http://books.google.com/books?id=tJBgvRsZkT4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=American+Fascists:+The+Christian+Right+and+the+War+on+America%E2%80%8E&ei=D9_FS8TRHo6mlQSxyqzaDQ&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false)
(which is called
American Fascist: The Christian Right and the War on America by Chris Hedges) discusses all of that, Pieces.
Thanks, Scrib.
I pulled that book link up on another tab while rummaging for the old patriotic clips. It looks quite promising, and I've added it to my acquire list. Maybe some 'deviant art' is in the making from the topic?
:)
Peeeerhaps. I was planning to incorporate parts of it into an essay I've been contemplating about the strange alliance of the working class and Neo Cons. And it's pretty damn good, though it will induce paranoia.
edited for spellings
There is a frontal view of a topless little girl in the Democracy clip. How could such smut ever have been allowed to be shown to Americans? ;)
Seriously, there is one clearly misleading claim in the clip. Aristotle despised democracy (as did, at least in the direct form, most of the founding fathers), so to quote either as pro middle class implying them to be automatically pro democracy as a result does not pass the best practices test.
IMO all extreme ideologies will overlook hypocrisy because they are Machiavellian in the academic sense, that is, their goals justify the means to achieve those goals.
To be fair, we all have a bias and are likely to overlook or minimize certain actions mostly on an emotional level, but I am convinced that a extreme ideology is more prone to be hypocritic (and in a more flagrant way) than none.
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Those videos are awesome, and certainly "pinko-subversive" nowadays, which in itself is a very worrisome sign. :(