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Open Water => Serious Discussion => Spirituality => Topic started by: Griffin NoName on March 08, 2008, 05:02:06 PM

Title: Teapots
Post by: Griffin NoName on March 08, 2008, 05:02:06 PM
Simon Hoggart today

Quote from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/08/1
While we're on religion, I'm almost certain it was Bertrand Russell (readers might correct me) who compared faith in God to believing that there was a teapot orbiting the sun. You might declare over and over that you knew, with total inner certainty, that the teapot was there. But you would need something more to convince anyone else.

And now, it turns out that a sharia court in Malaysia jailed a woman for two years for belonging to a cult that worships a teapot. It seems pretty harmless to me: the teapot in question is around 20 feet high, and symbolises the outpouring of goodness, but she's off to jail anyway. I think that Russell would have felt it confirmed a lot of what he felt about religion.


Title: Re: Teapots
Post by: pieces o nine on March 09, 2008, 02:52:57 AM
Quote from: Griffin NoName
Simon Hoggart today

Quote from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/08/1
...

And now, it turns out that a sharia court in Malaysia jailed a woman for two years for belonging to a cult that worships a teapot. It seems pretty harmless to me: the teapot in question is around 20 feet high, and symbolises the outpouring of goodness, but she's off to jail anyway. I think that Russell would have felt it confirmed a lot of what he felt about religion.[/size]
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The problem with teapots (http://djohaal.deviantart.com/art/Teapot-Nataraja-38012080) is that some of them accommodate more than one cup at a time.
Can't have that. 

(No doubt 'Nataraja' would *really* get her in trouble with a Sharia court.)
Title: Re: Teapots
Post by: Aphos on March 09, 2008, 04:17:24 AM
Griffin...

From what I read, the woman was not jailed for worshiping the teapot, but rather because she had converted from Islam to teapot worship.  It is against Sharia law to convert away from Islam.

Malaysia has a constitutional problem...they state in their constitution that they have religious freedom, while at the same time stating they support Sharia law.  Talk about a conflict.
Title: Re: Teapots
Post by: Scriblerus the Philosophe on March 09, 2008, 05:19:12 AM
Ahh, the good old Celestial teapot!

Poor woman. And screwy Malaysia.
Title: Re: Teapots
Post by: Aggie on March 09, 2008, 06:21:24 AM
Quote from: Aphos on March 09, 2008, 04:17:24 AMMalaysia has a constitutional problem...they state in their constitution that they have religious freedom, while at the same time stating they support Sharia law.  Talk about a conflict.

Ayuh, you can believe what you like...  as long as you didn't start Muslim and end up believing something else.  Religious freedom is more or less necessary with the huge ethnic mix in Kuala Lumpur, less so in the rest of the country which is primarily Muslim.
Title: Re: Teapots
Post by: Griffin NoName on March 09, 2008, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: Aphos on March 09, 2008, 04:17:24 AM
Griffin...

From what I read, the woman was not jailed for worshiping the teapot, but rather because she had converted from Islam to teapot worship.  It is against Sharia law to convert away from Islam.

To be fair to Hoggart, he didn't claim she worshipped the teapot, only that she belonged to the cult ;) ;)

Is it possible to belong to a cult without worshipping the object of the cult, I wonder?

I guess his error was saying she belonged, rather than joined.......


Title: Re: Teapots
Post by: Sibling Chatty on March 09, 2008, 09:20:08 AM
<<Is it possible to belong to a cult without worshipping the object of the cult, I wonder?>>

I'm thinkin' there are some here that might feel that way about the FSM thing. :)