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Poll
Question: I have had Session Verification Issues/Timeouts with this browser
Option 1: IE6 votes: 2
Option 2: FireFox votes: 3
Option 3: Opera votes: 0
Option 4: Camino votes: 1
Title: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 13, 2007, 02:15:08 AM
Hey kids!  I was just reading something interesting and I want your input on what browser you have had problems with here.  Please respond as it will help with fixing the forum.

Thanks,
Darren
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: The Meromorph on January 13, 2007, 03:17:18 AM
I voted IE6, Iactually use IE6 (work) and IE7 (home).
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 13, 2007, 11:46:23 AM
That's strike one!  ;D

Does the monastery look okay with IE7?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Darren996 on January 13, 2007, 12:53:41 PM
Test post wrapped IE6, just logged in.  ::)
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Darren996 on January 13, 2007, 01:50:28 PM
Test post wrapped IE6, idle for a while.  ???
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: The Meromorph on January 13, 2007, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on January 13, 2007, 11:46:23 AM
That's strike one!  ;D

Does the monastery look okay with IE7?
Yup, sure does.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 13, 2007, 08:42:59 PM
Really!  Cool! I don't have to fix it for IE7 yeah!  I heard pacecomputer.com looks like crap in IE7.  That's another site I work on.

Do you get session verification problems in IE7?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: beagle on January 13, 2007, 10:54:28 PM
www.pacecomputer.com looks slightly knackered in both IE7 and Firefox currently:
------
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
------

Tried to look at it to see if could describe IE7 issues for you...

Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: beagle on January 13, 2007, 10:55:37 PM
P.S. - no session problems on IE7 for me at the monastery.

Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 13, 2007, 11:03:10 PM
Quote from: beagle on January 13, 2007, 10:54:28 PM
www.pacecomputer.com looks slightly knackered in both IE7 and Firefox currently:
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Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
------

Tried to look at it to see if could describe IE7 issues for you...



Thanks for looking at it!  Are you still getting problems for www.pacecomputer.com?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: beagle on January 13, 2007, 11:06:05 PM
Yep, exactly same problem at 23:05 GMT in both IE7 and Firefox.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: beagle on January 13, 2007, 11:14:55 PM
I also tried generating a request by telnetting to port 80 manually, just in case browsers had cached the failure - same message.

HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:10:38 GMT
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix) mod_throttle/3.1.2 DAV/1.0.3 mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_
gzip/1.3.26.1a PHP/4.4.4 mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.7e

139
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
                                                  <HTML><HEAD>
                                                              <TITLE>403 Forbidd
en</TITLE>
          </HEAD><BODY>
                       <H1>Forbidden</H1>
                                         You don't have permission to access /
                                                                              on
this server.<P>
                <P>Additionally, a 403 Forbidden
                                                error was encountered while tryi
ng to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
                                                 </BODY></HTML>

0
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: beagle on January 13, 2007, 11:35:00 PM
Sorry, have to go now...

Unfortunately don't think it's anything simple like forgetting to set home page redirection since links found through Google like
http://www.pacecomputer.com/news-and-events/tech-support-hours.html

show same behaviour.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 14, 2007, 12:59:09 AM
Thanks beagle!  I will email my hosting service.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on January 14, 2007, 03:55:38 AM
Today, I got a slew of "session timeout" errors-- and I ONLY use IE7 for the "official windoze" crap.

ALL ELSE is FireFox all the way.

However-- I DID only a 1/2 hour ago, discover that my hub/switch/firewall black box has died.

I'm direct to my cable-modem as I write this, and I have blazing speeds again.  (and DON'T have the timeout issue-- so far)

I'll go and purchase a new black box tomorrow-- I'll have to go offline meanwhile.  I won't leave it connected for any length of time without a hardware firewall.

Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 14, 2007, 08:46:14 AM
You got all your session timeouts on IE7 and none in FireFox Bob?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on January 14, 2007, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on January 14, 2007, 08:46:14 AM
You got all your session timeouts on IE7 and none in FireFox Bob?

Actually, since I have never used IE7 to visit Toadfish (except one time, when my 'net hook was messed up, and I was eliminating causes one by one), ALL the timeouts were in Firefox.

However, I have traced MY particular problem directly to my black-box firewall/router.  It, being 6 years old, has finally failed.  (It's out of the loop, currently, and my net-hook is blazing. ;D )

So, that old adage, "hook directly between your pc and your modem, just as a test" is still true. ::)

I shut my modem down, now, [when not surfing] until I can get my black-box replaced. *sigh* An expense I was not expecting.  :P

Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 15, 2007, 11:58:38 AM
So a firewall problem was causing your timeouts?  Can you tell me what kind of firewall it was and what the setting where?  I am particulary interested in if you were blocking cookies.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on January 15, 2007, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on January 15, 2007, 11:58:38 AM
So a firewall problem was causing your timeouts?  Can you tell me what kind of firewall it was and what the setting where?  I am particulary interested in if you were blocking cookies.

The firewall was an external piece of hardware--a "black box".  It was configured via a HTML console you accessed via it's numerical address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  It's now out of the loop, as it's NAT translation software has apparently become corrupt, and it causes drastic reduction of throughput. Orders of magnitude, even.

I do use Windoze XP built-in firewall, SP2.

As for cookies, I have allowed them in Firefox, for toadfishmonastery.com, until they expire.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Swatopluk on January 16, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
Today I have to log out/relog in for about every post, sometimes several times.
I use FireFox as browser and ZoneAlarm as firewall.

Toadfishmonastery was repeatedly not available at all yesterday (i.e.  connection was found but no answer arrived ["waiting for toadfishmonastery.com to answer"]

Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on January 16, 2007, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on January 16, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
Today I have to log out/relog in for about every post, sometimes several times.
I use FireFox as browser and ZoneAlarm as firewall.

Toadfishmonastery was repeatedly not available at all yesterday (i.e.  connection was found but no answer arrived ["waiting for toadfishmonastery.com to answer"]



What happens if you temporarily shut down ZoneAlarm?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: The Meromorph on January 16, 2007, 07:56:13 PM
I had intermittent connectivity problems when I was using ZoneAlarm a couple of years or more ago, I eventually stopped using it, when my youngest installed a hardware one, and networked my computer in with his several...
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 17, 2007, 12:07:56 AM
If you have ZA try turning off cookie control for toadfishmonastery.com.  Make sure you aren't running more than one firewall such as ZA and windows firewall.

That's the tips I found on a search.

Run the forum unwrapped (http://toadfishmonastery.com/forum) and see if that makes a difference.

Try closing the browser window when you leave the monastery.

DD
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Opsa on January 17, 2007, 07:08:16 PM
Thanks for the unwrapped link. I will try it.

I'm on Camino and have about one bumpoff per session.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Aggie on January 17, 2007, 07:25:45 PM
Since I switched to unwrapped (Firefox), I rarely have issues.  The main site shoutbox doesn't recognize me, but forum problems are nil.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 20, 2007, 12:00:54 AM
Must be a problem with the template.  :'(
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Swatopluk on January 20, 2007, 09:57:42 AM
Unwrapped works fine (and the lack of the top picture makes it a wee bit faster)
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 20, 2007, 11:15:47 AM
Yes.  ;D

Looks like the Joomla sessions are getting killed off by procwatcher.  I am on the trail of figuring this out.

I know that picture is big but it should be cached.  Should I make it smaller?

MB
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Opsa on January 20, 2007, 03:02:52 PM
I kind of like it that size, but you can try it smaller if you think it might help.

Or maybe you could make a button in the side bar that says something like:
"For faster loading, try our unwrapped version" with a link to the unwrapped page.

I wonder if NoName has tried the unwrapped option.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Kiyoodle the Gambrinous on January 20, 2007, 03:24:35 PM
I had no "session verification problem" till now, but something other happened:

When logging in from the "Arcade" (I mostly play logged out), it gives me just a blank page.

Then I go to the Monastary Homepage (manually) and arrive there logged in. It happened several times already.

Just thought you might like to know that.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 20, 2007, 04:12:03 PM
Log out and log back in.  You may have to do it from here (http://toadfishmonastery.com/forum).
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on January 27, 2007, 04:53:55 PM
Been checking stuff out.

MB, have you compared settings with your other sites:

Admin -

Server Settings Core Config

* Use a persistent connection

QuoteKeeps the connection active to increase performance. If you aren't on a dedicated server, this may cause you problems with your host.

Server Settings - Feature Config

* default login cookies length in minutes

(it was a cookie problem that solved my unwrapped time delay)
(although I still have the time delay when wrapped)

* Seconds before unused session timeout

And one last thought, I login "forever" - what do other people do?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Sibling Chatty on January 28, 2007, 03:25:03 AM
I logged in forever a long time ago. No discernable problems, ever, except my computer died of old age. Nothing here ever doesn't work for me. I use FireFox.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Swatopluk on January 28, 2007, 09:23:01 AM
After changing to unwrapped the problem ceased too. If nothing here has changed then I suspect ZoneAlarm. The problem usually occurred at my office PC, not at the one at home (that uses a different firewall)
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 28, 2007, 09:43:27 AM
Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on January 27, 2007, 04:53:55 PM
Been checking stuff out.

MB, have you compared settings with your other...


I have compared the sites in great detail.  The only thing I haven't done is compare the source code.

I login forever too, although I suspect that to be a problem.  I don't have a problem with it in FireFox.  I have noticed it disabled on other sites.  I would be great if someone had a go at that.  ;D

Quote from: Swatopluk on January 28, 2007, 09:23:01 AM
After changing to unwrapped the problem ceased too. If nothing here has changed then I suspect ZoneAlarm. The problem usually occurred at my office PC, not at the one at home (that uses a different firewall)

I thought I would turn off my hardware firewall here.  Then I looked at my log.  My LAN is attacked every six minutes or so.  Seesh, don't people have better things to do?  Maybe I will turn on all the firewalls in XP and try it.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Swatopluk on January 28, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Now it happened again and this time on my home PC in unwrapped mode.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 28, 2007, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Swatopluk on January 28, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Now it happened again and this time on my home PC in unwrapped mode.

Sorry!  My bad.  I turned data driven sessions on to make the settings consistent with the other sites.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on January 29, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on January 28, 2007, 09:43:27 AM
Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on January 27, 2007, 04:53:55 PM
Been checking stuff out.

MB, have you compared settings with your other...


I have compared the sites in great detail.  The only thing I haven't done is compare the source code.

I thought you would have but it is always worth asking.

Worth comparing bridging source code ?

Re. firewall and attacks... one of the reasons I distrust the method used for installing firewalls.... install from out of date CD, connect, update.... and if you have a problem with the firewall, the first thing the firewall support staff ask you to do is, turn off the firewall.  :'(
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on January 29, 2007, 04:45:19 AM
Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on January 29, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
the first thing the firewall support staff ask you to do is, turn off the firewall.  :'(

Yup.  Is why I insist on a hardware firewall as the 1st line of defense.  :D
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 30, 2007, 10:17:16 AM
I don't understand why the makers of SMF and the makers of Joomla don't redirect to the login page on session verification failure then forward you to your destination on a successful login.  Seesh...  ;D
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on January 30, 2007, 06:41:25 PM
I cannot get session verification failure any which way, wrapped, unwrapped, going off on holiday for a month, whatever. Is there something wrong with me? ;)
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Swatopluk on January 30, 2007, 07:06:58 PM
Hasn't reoccured in the last 24 hours. knock, knock, knock!
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on January 30, 2007, 07:20:56 PM
Quote from: Swatopluk on January 30, 2007, 07:06:58 PM
Hasn't reoccured in the last 24 hours. knock, knock, knock!

I bumped the timeout to two hours.  It still handles it badly after that.

I used SMF's built-in version checker and compared it with sedonaview.com.  They are the same.  I am thinking of running this site under my original login to see if that makes a difference.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 09, 2007, 03:06:16 AM
Strange drop in postings -
Reports of session verification timeouts preventing people using the site -

Are the two connected?

Or is there some bug where the list of new posts is not working... too .. ?  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

However, nothing seems to stop Black Bart  :yar: :yar: :yar:
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 09, 2007, 09:05:24 AM
Nothing has changed really.

Yesterday DreamHost attempted to roll out PHP 5.2 with disastrous result.  DreamHost's own customer support site went down along with every website I know of hosted on DreamHost.  That may have something to do with it.

I am getting the feeling this site is much too busy for the shared hosting plan because nothing I do makes any difference.  :(  I've tried  overwriting Joomla and SMF with the latest versions, which means it's not a code issue.  My templates work on other sites and don't have the Session Verification problem so it's not a template issue. *sigh*
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Opsa on February 09, 2007, 04:51:42 PM
Today I seem to be able to post, but it is running unbearably slowly. It took 15 seconds just to load this reply page. This will be my last post today.

I don't like the new setup.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Aggie on February 09, 2007, 05:42:15 PM
Definitely much more sluggish than usual - my office connection is usually very quick.  Feels like I'm on dialup... ;)
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Kiyoodle the Gambrinous on February 09, 2007, 06:28:32 PM
I have the same problem, plus I seem to get "500 Internal Server Error" a lot with the addition of a few 404 errors...
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 09, 2007, 09:35:54 PM
Nothing has changed except the child board stuff.  I think this is all DreamHost recovering from their PHP 5.2 roll out disaster.  ;D

You guys don't like the child boards?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: beagle on February 09, 2007, 10:10:27 PM
Got the famous session verification error yesterday for first time. Logged in but couldn't post or logout.
Went wrong on both IE7 and Firefox 1.5.0.9

If you can read this then it's cured...
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Vita Curator on February 10, 2007, 01:34:29 AM
Okay, please don't laugh at me; I admit that I am a complete computer idiot.

I have been having massive session verification timeouts (I have IE7) to the point that I have literally given up trying to post anything.  The other day I could not post at all, and when I tried to log out, over and over again, I wasn't able to.  MB, thank you for posting that a link for me to go to and log out on.  It was a different looking screen of the monastery.  Could you post two more links and tell me which is which?  Which one again is Joomla (sp?) and which is SMF (?) and which one should I be using so I don't have trouble logging out?


I am stoopid and frustrated and I need a drink.

Please, I hope that I can even post this.


Okay, I just posted about five things and I did not have any problems!  Whew!!
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Kiyoodle the Gambrinous on February 10, 2007, 01:45:22 AM
It seems that the 500 errors are gone.

*Knock on wood*
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 10, 2007, 02:55:12 AM
Is anyone else using IE6 on W2K cos I havent had any errors at all? Or....... perhaps I am on a mirror server all on my own?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on February 10, 2007, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 09, 2007, 09:35:54 PM
You guys don't like the child boards?

No, I LIKE, I LIKE!!!
  :D  :D  :D

Being basically of a "this needs organizing" sort of mind, I LIKE IT!

*hugs*
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on February 10, 2007, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: Vita Curator on February 10, 2007, 01:34:29 AM
Okay, please don't laugh at me; I admit that I am a complete computer idiot.

I have been having massive session verification timeouts (I have IE7) to the point that I have literally given up trying to post anything.  The other day I could not post at all, and when I tried to log out, over and over again, I wasn't able to.  MB, thank you for posting that a link for me to go to and log out on.  It was a different looking screen of the monastery.  Could you post two more links and tell me which is which?  Which one again is Joomla (sp?) and which is SMF (?) and which one should I be using so I don't have trouble logging out?


I am stoopid and frustrated and I need a drink.

Please, I hope that I can even post this.


Okay, I just posted about five things and I did not have any problems!  Whew!!


May I humbly suggest you switch away from the _evil monster_ IE7 that is the Spawn of Micro$oft? <tongue firmly in cheek>

There are those of use herein who would be GLAD to post a step-by-step "how 2" for FireFox, if you like.

From first click to last *sigh* of bliss, as you navigate in the style you should become accustomed to... <grin>
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Swatopluk on February 10, 2007, 08:51:09 AM
What child boards?

I had the 500 error several times in the last few days and the connection to the site was not always very good.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 10, 2007, 11:23:50 AM
DreamHost was doing something similar to upgrading to Windows XP.  It blew up in their face and brought the roof down.  It is taking a while for them to get it straight.

The child boards are like sub categories.

Think of Joomla like a Word document.  SMF is like a picture inside of the Word doc.  Word will show you the picture in the document but when you want to edit the picture you have to use another application like Paint.  SMF is like Paint.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Opsa on February 10, 2007, 04:02:20 PM
Everything seems to be running and posting normally today. I think MB was right about the system belch.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 10, 2007, 06:48:26 PM
They will try it again on the 19th.  I would play hooky that day.  ;D

I can't wait until they upgrade Apache or something.   >:(
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 11, 2007, 07:18:56 AM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 10, 2007, 11:23:50 AM
SMF is like Paint.

Watching SMF start working properly being like watching Paint dry ? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 11, 2007, 10:52:15 AM
I don't really think it's SMF.  It's my hosting plan.

Joomla.org uses SMF.  The get 10,000 page hits a day.  They also have dedicated hosting.  :(
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 11, 2007, 02:02:04 PM
My current obsession leaves me no option, since my whimsy was off form, I have to try again. When will Dream Host stop being a Nightmare Host? By all reports things have improved so let's hope someone woke them up  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Vita Curator on February 11, 2007, 03:21:22 PM
Quote from: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on February 10, 2007, 08:50:54 AM

May I humbly suggest you switch away from the _evil monster_ IE7 that is the Spawn of Micro$oft? <tongue firmly in cheek>

There are those of use herein who would be GLAD to post a step-by-step "how 2" for FireFox, if you like.

From first click to last *sigh* of bliss, as you navigate in the style you should become accustomed to... <grin>


Okay Bob-the-computer-Builder, post a step-by-step tutorial for yours truly.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 11, 2007, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on February 11, 2007, 02:02:04 PM
My current obsession leaves me no option, since my whimsy was off form, I have to try again. When will Dream Host stop being a Nightmare Host? By all reports things have improved so let's hope someone woke them up  ;D  ;D

Aren't all shared hosting plans bad in one way or another?  Isn't this what you get for $15 a month?  They don't have a better plan that is worth the money.  I am trying to figure out a way to get business class FIOS with a static IP and a new server without getting a beating from the Princess of Darkness.  ;D
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: beagle on February 11, 2007, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: Vita Curator
Okay Bob-the-computer-Builder, post a step-by-step tutorial for yours truly.

Be warned that when the session verifications hit me neither Firefox nor IE7 worked. (For reasons connected with a previous job my machine has IE7, Firefox, Opera, Mozilla and ...). If it happens again I'll try all four if I have time.


Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 11, 2007, 09:46:08 PM
Thanks Bob,

After getting down into the code I see what is going on.  The session is just gone so SMF thinks that someone else is trying to spoof your session.  Instead of asking for your login credentials it just gives up and says "session verification error." 

I have forked a program called HexIP.  I need to change it a bit so I call block IPs and User Agents independently.  I can then keep bots that ignore robots.txt out, like AOLBot (or whatever it is) that come in and spider the site on 10 different IPs at the same time.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 12, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 11, 2007, 03:50:19 PM
Aren't all shared hosting plans bad in one way or another?  Isn't this what you get for $15 a month?  They don't have a better plan that is worth the money.  I am trying to figure out a way to get business class FIOS with a static IP and a new server without getting a beating from the Princess of Darkness.  ;D

No I don't think they are all bad. Depends on one's needs and on what they actually get up to on their servers, and like are their staff any good? And of course like shared with how many, doing what? etc. A site I run is hosted on a freebee and has many many more hits a day than this site (with many more members). No problems at all.

The problem is finding out which are worth the money and which aren't, however much you pay and whichever level of service you go for.

For the amount of traffic this site gets I would have thought shared hosting was Ok with a good supplier and a decent package plan. Trouble is.... affordable good supplier, like who? Sorry not much help on that one. I like mine (not the freebee, another one) but they went out of business last year - although they are still selling online, my site is still hosted by them, they no longer actually exist and GoDaddy whose servers are used (which seemed to happen around the time they went out of business) agree with me they don't exist but won't admit to knowing anything more than that !!

I also have a reasonably cheap business package site hosted with a very reliable top end host in the UK. I'd recommend them, but you must be able to get the same cheaper in the US.

Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 11, 2007, 09:46:08 PM
The session is just gone so SMF thinks that someone else is trying to spoof your session.  Instead of asking for your login credentials it just gives up and says "session verification error." 

I have forked a program called HexIP. 

Does the "S" in SMF stand for Spoof?  :taz: 

Is it a silly question to ask why the sessions are going - why doesn't mine disappear ? Is IE6 passing different cookies than IE7 or something else weird? Only curious.

I like the idea of HexIP - especially for real spoofs.  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 12, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on February 12, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
No I don't think they are all bad. Depends on one's needs and on what they actually get up to on their servers, and like are their staff any good? And of course like shared with how many, doing what? etc. A site I run is hosted on a freebee and has many many more hits a day than this site (with many more members). No problems at all.
The problem is finding out which are worth the money and which aren't, however much you pay and whichever level of service you go for.

For the amount of traffic this site gets I would have thought shared hosting was Ok with a good supplier and a decent package plan.
You aren't running a CMS on it though are you?

Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on February 12, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
Trouble is.... affordable good supplier, like who? Sorry not much help on that one. I like mine (not the freebee, another one) but they went out of business last year - although they are still selling online, my site is still hosted by them, they no longer actually exist and GoDaddy whose servers are used (which seemed to happen around the time they went out of business) agree with me they don't exist but won't admit to knowing anything more than that !!

I also have a reasonably cheap business package site hosted with a very reliable top end host in the UK. I'd recommend them, but you must be able to get the same cheaper in the US.

Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 11, 2007, 09:46:08 PM
The session is just gone so SMF thinks that someone else is trying to spoof your session.  Instead of asking for your login credentials it just gives up and says "session verification error." 

I have forked a program called HexIP. 

Does the "S" in SMF stand for Spoof?  :taz: 

Is it a silly question to ask why the sessions are going - why doesn't mine disappear ? Is IE6 passing different cookies than IE7 or something else weird? Only curious.
When I go over my memory limit what ever is on the other side of the limit gets killed.  Mostly sessions I guess.

Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on February 12, 2007, 01:42:23 AM

I like the idea of HexIP - especially for real spoofs.  :mrgreen:

Feel free to help out.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 14, 2007, 01:52:05 AM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 12, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
You aren't running a CMS on it though are you?

I actually have several different hosted packages (all shared hosting). I do different things on different ones. It's my own brainless version of CMS  ::) ::) - no I don't actually run a CMS on any. Even so, I would have thought the "right" shared hosting should cope with the Monastery - but then I don't know what else you have running. There is a difference between the UK and the US in the way these packages are bundled - at least there was last time I checked it all out - so I may be basing my opinion on fluff.

Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 12, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
When I go over my memory limit what ever is on the other side of the limit gets killed.  Mostly sessions I guess.

Your limit on the server rather than your PC?

Quote from: MentalBlock996 on February 12, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
Quote from: Griffin NoName The Watson of Sherlock on February 12, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
I like the idea of HexIP - especially for real spoofs.  :mrgreen:
Feel free to help out.

I am devoted to Jung for a week or two ahead so any Hexing will be coming deep from my influence on the collective unconscious. I'll do my best !
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 14, 2007, 08:40:09 AM
I am not sure DreamHost actually specifies it's memory limit but I think it's like 50mb per domain.  So the monastery only has 50mb of memory to share between all the users.

If I had my own server I am sure I would have at least 2Gb of ram in it. 

What's Jung?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Swatopluk on February 14, 2007, 08:42:42 AM
Wouldn't that be exhausted quite fast with pictures uploaded?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 15, 2007, 01:46:42 AM
Yes 50MB is the usual.  And it wouldn't be enough. (More costs more, but not as much as dedicated). That was the beauty of the one I have where my host has gone missing !!  It was cheap to have more....

But there's also a difference between "server" and "upload" limits.... (following up Swato's remark).


Carl Gustav Jung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung) 1865-1961 Swiss Psychiatrist and Analytical Psychologist. Started out as a follower of Freud but had an argument and broke out on his own... (everyone had arguments with Freud). Major contributions to the field - Dream work, Archetypes, Symbols, Anima/Animus, The Shadow, The Collective Unconscious, Synchronicity. Also the first person to use the word Transpersonal but work on that has far outstripped his original concept of it.

I have to give a presentation of a Jungian analysis of myself and then spend the following day being torn to shreds over it. Not only am I somewhat pre-occupied with this, but it involves the equivalent of an 11 day hike with no stops for sleep (ie. according to my current state of health).
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on February 15, 2007, 09:07:22 AM
I think having a bridged forum is probably using three times the amount of session vars that you would have with an integrated solution.

I don't think we have any problems with upload size.  I haven't seen any.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on February 15, 2007, 06:52:59 PM
So it all comes back to bridging... I always hated dentists ;)
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on August 13, 2007, 12:54:33 AM
Been logged out twice mysteriously when posting replies tonight.

Also, just got session timeout, tho that may be a need to clear cookies of course.

I know you got new toys MB. Are you playing with them? :mrgreen:

EDIT

Oh another oddity of little importance. If I click a link in a particular board it always says I am not authorised.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on August 13, 2007, 02:56:21 AM
I like toys!  :mrgreen:  Soon as I have a server to log into I'll let you play too!

You should really be logging into the bridge from a wrapped page.  The new site should be better.

Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Alpaca on August 13, 2007, 03:09:19 AM
Ooh! Ooh! What sorts of new toys will there be!?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on August 13, 2007, 10:42:13 PM
I don't like one way bridges. I want a dual carriageway. ;)
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on August 13, 2007, 11:31:27 PM
I wish there was a Joomla forum component that was as good as SMF. *sigh*

The new server will be running Ubuntu linux hopefully.  Admins will be able to VPN into it and start an X Terminal.  Ideally we'll have three servers, one for a web server, one database server and one Torque server.

I am hoping we can use Eclipse and SVN for a development environment.  Let me know what cool toys you want to see on there Sibs.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Alpaca on August 13, 2007, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: MentalBlock996 on August 13, 2007, 11:31:27 PM
The new server will be running Ubuntu linux hopefully.  Admins will be able to VPN into it and start an X Terminal.  Ideally we'll have three servers, one for a web server, one database server and one Torque server.

*Claps giddily*

Those are cool toys enough to make me drool happily.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: goat starer on August 14, 2007, 01:39:05 AM
all of the above are brilliant ideas but would it not be simpler if we all used the postal service?

or we could get a VPZ-3000 dual artichoke gambit chump drive with three module enhanced end user compatible K170 SPLart cards and hook them up in tandem with the original turing machine and a HAL 9000.

that should be compatible with Findus, Firedog and Bodyform even if they are being run on a an LSD platform.

Hope this helps. If you need anymore technical expertise I will be in the bar.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Kiyoodle the Gambrinous on August 14, 2007, 01:53:30 AM
Will there be any toys for us, technically illiterate siblings?

Maybe a model train or something similiar. I've always wanted a model train, but never got one...


Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.......
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Sibling Chatty on August 15, 2007, 04:57:11 AM
I don't know about YOU guys, but whenever they talk about cookies, I get hungry.

How 'bout an EZBake Oven?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Alpaca on August 15, 2007, 05:16:58 AM
Stick with the regular kind, Auntie. The ones some sites throw at you are nasty.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Sibling Zono (anon1mat0) on August 15, 2007, 05:23:42 AM
That's when sharing becomes a bad thing: if it weren't for the fact that every website that you visit can read (eat?) all your cookies...
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Sibling Chatty on August 15, 2007, 02:09:03 PM
I get hostile when somebody eats all my cookies. That's why Dan set up firewalls, so that they burn their fingers when they try to get to my cookies.

I don't know how in works, but my Petite Ecolier Extra Dark are safe, and that's what counts.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on August 15, 2007, 10:03:09 PM
Happy Happy Happy. A two way bridge. I am me here unwrapped (1) and subsequently there me wrapped. ;D ;D A miracle.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on August 15, 2007, 11:18:57 PM
The answer I got from SMF was to force people into wrapped mode.  That fixes the login problem, but might annoy some here.  For Joomla to work properly you have to login to the bridge.  If you go to toadfishmonastery.com/forum then you won't get logged into Joomla.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on August 15, 2007, 11:29:03 PM
I logged into http://toadfishmonastery.com/forum/ (unwrapped) (WINDOW A)

Then opened new browser window (WINDOW B) url http://toadfishmonastery.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

I am seeing the normal home page in WINDOW B, showing me logged in and with my NoName automatically in the Chant Box and if I click Forum, I see that nicely wrapped (and me logged in).

Before, like until tonight, I wasn't seeing that at all in WINDOW B, I was a guest/half logged in. SO something has changed. ie. the bridge appears to have suddenly started working in reverse unwrapped->wrapped. Maybe it is magic?

(I didn't log in wrapped. Never got around to it).

:wiz:
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on August 15, 2007, 11:41:09 PM
That shouldn't work at all.  Oh wait.  This is a different bridge.

I would try getting rid of your cookies and trying it again.
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on August 16, 2007, 12:12:11 AM
You mean my cookies should not make it work ok?

Like it's working as a reverse bridge now, which is great, but it shouldn't be?
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: ivor on August 16, 2007, 12:22:37 AM
Clearing the cookies just erases the evidence your login.    You could probably just logout.  I dunno.  I'm tired. 

:bed:
Title: Re: Session Verification Issues/Timeouts
Post by: Griffin NoName on August 16, 2007, 12:35:44 AM
For when you are less tired, and just for interest, not for solving.

Logging out of all windows, keeping same window as when unwrapped in forum, logging in unwrapped re-using that same window, opening new home window, shows Guest. So no longer reverse bridging. Did not delete cookies.

Realised one significant thing. When it was showing reverse bridging behaviour, there was no little white on black box near the Chant box where one can change guest to "name". It was simply not there. (I was just appearing as NoName automatically in the Chant box. Very odd. ).

Can't replicate it.