Trying to find a recent post that included "new tricks" and a reference to NLP.
Searched on
new
tricks
"new tricks"
NLP
plus every other combination I could think of.
Nothing found.
Either
1. Search misfunctioning.
2. Post edited or deleted removing matching test.
3. I have Fake Memory
4. I am insane
Does anyone remember anything?
I can tell google isn't indexing the forum because it didn't find anything. ;)
It may just mean Google knows I have a Fake Memory or I am insane. ;D
is there anything Google doesn't know?
Does 'recent' cover the time just before the, you know, evaporation?
Live Search seems to have the most coverage. I still didn't find anything. Any more detail on what you were looking for?
Isn't there some feature in php/MySQL where it won't search for three or less characters? Or maybe that's just a misconfiguration of Bugzilla where I encountered it.
That was probably application specific. I don't recall ever having any kind of trouble like that with MySQL.
Certainly seems to work here (do the search indexes rebuild automatically or can stuff fall through the cracks?).
P.S. Tell the psychos (is that the correct collective noun for a group of psychologists?) that "NLP" stands for "Natural Language Processing" and not "Neurotic Linguini Pastafication" or whatever they've rechristened it.
I'm not sure that MySQL has full-text indexes like SQL Server.
If I could get a better idea of what we are looking for I can query the MySQL database directly and see what turns up.
We may have to search Griffin's mind for that. After you.
I have the suspicion that the search function only works "below" the page/folder you are on, when you start it. So I do all searches only from the "The Toadfish Monastery" level. Searches still often come up cold.
Quote from: pieces o nine on August 21, 2008, 04:48:46 AM
Does 'recent' cover the time just before the, you know, evaporation?
No, more recent than that.
Quote from: beagle on August 21, 2008, 08:46:42 AM
We may have to search Griffin's mind for that. After you.
Apologies to all. I just searched Griffin's mind. Amongst the other carp I found an indexing error such that ("new tricks" and "NLP") was attached to the wrong forum at the wrong website. I am re-indexing Griffin's mind. This may take several weeks. Please be patient. Thanks.
Additional comments:
Some forum software will not search for <4 lettered words; doesn't apply here.
I am pretty certain MYSQL does not have full-text indexes; all the evidence is against it.
Unable to tell if Beagle is feigning ignorance: "
Neuro-
Linguistic
Programming, the amazing technique that inculdes shrinking apples unti they do not exist.
While we are at the topic of searching: I'd love to do the rserial translation game and looking for participants. What I'd need are 5-6 persons that have at least working knowledge of one or two other languages* (passive for translation form the other to your own or one you otherwise have active knowledge of, active for translation into that language from one you at least passively know).
I'd sent each participant a few short (let's say 10-20 lines) texts that the person would translate** and send to the next in line. That person would do the same until it returns to the original sender.
It's not necessary that there are five or six languages, 2-3 would be sufficient.
What thread should I post an ad for that in, so that as many as possible see it?
*E.g. my own active knowledge includes German, English, Latin. I think I'd be able to roughly discern the meaning of texts in Dutch, French, Norwegian.
**without using something like babelfish or trying to find the original text. Using dictionaries is OK of course.
Quote from: Swatopluk on August 21, 2008, 10:34:45 AM
*E.g. my own active knowledge includes German, English, Latin. I think I'd be able to roughly discern the meaning of texts in Dutch, French, Norwegian.
I thought you meant computer programming languages until I read this note! Was going to tell you that I didn't think the end product would work. On the other hand, if we did do that, we might create the world's most amazing program unwittingly.
Quote from: Griffin NoName on August 21, 2008, 10:21:29 AM
Unable to tell if Beagle is feigning ignorance: "Neuro-Linguistic Programming, the amazing technique that inculdes shrinking apples unti they do not exist.
I resent that. My ignorance is 100% authentic and externally verified.
Is there a large call for shrinking apples in the psychological sphere then? Somehow I'd got the impression there were other priorities ahead of agricultural packing densities.
Quote from: Griffin NoName on August 21, 2008, 10:21:29 AM
Neuro-Linguistic Programming, the amazing technique that inculdes shrinking apples unti they do not exist.
Isn't that the ability fundies wish they had to prevent certain apple falling into certain Newton guy some years ago? ;)
The only Apple Shrinking I can relate to is the Shrinking number of apples on my tree, and indeed the shrinking of the fruit itself due to bleedin Crows and Parakeets.
That's on top of my mouse and squirrel problems.
Please don't kill the parakeets.
Can you sell them? ;D
Quote from: Black Bart on August 21, 2008, 03:13:12 PM
That's on top of my mouse and squirrel problems.
Harve ye contaktid Boris an' Natasha?
Oh waite a minit...that wud be MOOSE an sqiurrel.
Nevermind.
For Beagle
How It Works : An example
Someone is terrified of their father.
They are asked what fruit he would be if he were a fruit. They say apple.
They are told to hold an (imaginary) apple in their right hand.
They are then told to imagine it shrinking, repeat shrink more, until very small apple. Or no apple. (I can't remember which).
Then they are asked: are you frightened any more?
No, they aren't.
They are told, every time they meet their father, do the apple shrink, and never be frightened of him ever again.
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Never worked for me. Couldn't get the apple to shrink. Should never have chosen a Granny Smith.
But at least I know why shrinks are called shrinks ;)
So how does the shrink pad that out to an hour? Does the imaginary fruit fight back?
How can you tell if an imaginary apple has shrunk or grown? Is that why you need the shrink rather than having a cheaper DIY session? Only they're allowed to measure imaginary apples using the imaginary micrometer?
Isn't the whole thing rather Freudian? Are these people for real?
So many questions...
Not just for real, deadly serious.
I was searching around and thought I'd direct you to wiki, but then I noticed this site ;)
(http://www.businessballs.com/images/bblogo.jpg)
http://www.businessballs.com/nlpneuro-linguisticprogramming.htm
Then I came across Pegasus NLP Training (http://www.nlp-now.co.uk/nlp-what.htm) which uses the slogan NLP for people who like to think for themselves... which I must admit puzzles me as if you learn and use NLP it is essentially about programming your brain and I fnd it hard to square that one with thinking for myself.
The cost of courses can be phenomenal. Many of my "business" colleagues have done courses - especially
those who are self-employed. Most of them swear so much by it that they have gone on to do master classes (bigger bucks) and then trained as trainers....... (megga bucks)
That's how I know so much about it. They needed a client to work on !
Or you could try Neuro-linguistic Programming for Dummies (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neuro-linguistic-Programming-Dummies-Romilla-Ready/dp/0764570285) - possibly useful for vaudeville artistes - but I'd advise you to read "Ken's" helpful customer review first.
If you like diagrams, then INPUT - "The world out there, made up of sub-atomic particles" (http://www.nlpacademy.co.uk/WhatisNLP.asp) may be your cup of tea.
Best of all, one of it's "creators" was called John Grinder. :o
Quote from: beagle on August 21, 2008, 09:20:59 PM
Does the imaginary fruit fight back?
I imagine that the conversion of your woe into fruit is why the ones doing it are called fruitcakes, no? ;) :mrgreen:
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Honestly, voodoo dolls sound way more practical (less politically correct and fun).
Quote from: Griffin NoName on August 21, 2008, 11:21:15 PM
Then I came across Pegasus NLP Training (http://www.nlp-now.co.uk/nlp-what.htm) which uses the slogan NLP for people who like to think for themselves... which I must admit puzzles me as if you learn and use NLP it is essentially about programming your brain and I fnd it hard to square that one with thinking for myself.
I don't see it as a conflict, provided you are self-programming based on thinking for yourself. It's (on the surface) similar to the ideas of autotheism that I have propounded in the past - keeping one's 'self' a bit aside from one's functional mental bits & processes to direct the action.
Exponentially increasing course fees never really smacked of thinking for one's self to me though (more like Scientology ;)).
It's always been presented to me as more directive than that, ie. self-programming based on the NLP way of thinking at best. But in practice when I've been led through any NLP exercise I've always experienced it as being programmed rather than as me being enabled to do it for myself. Possibly one has to pay the megga bucks to become a trainer to experience it as doing it for onself by acquiring the techniques and skills to do it to others ;)
Quote from: Griffin NoNameSomeone is terrified of their father.
They are asked what fruit he would be if he were a fruit. They say apple.
They are told to hold an (imaginary) apple in their right hand.
They are then told to imagine it shrinking, repeat shrink more, until very small apple. Or no apple. (I can't remember which).
Then they are asked: are you frightened any more?
No, they aren't.
They are told, every time they meet their father, do the apple shrink, and never be frightened of him ever again.
Sounz loike thair jest mini-moizen yer problems -- oar else thair hencooredgen ye t'mini-moize 'em yerself.
Wot 'append t'taking responsibillitea hinsted ov mini-moizen?
Quote from: pieces o nine on August 22, 2008, 03:57:47 AM
Sounz loike thair jest mini-moizen yer problems -- oar else thair hencooredgen ye t'mini-moize 'em yerself.
Wot 'append t'taking responsibillitea hinsted ov mini-moizen?
It's the whole Cognitive approach. It does get results which I think is why NLP's greatest hold has been on the business community. After all, if your sales improve it doesn't much matter if at home you are still an emotional wreck ;)
Fortunately the only NLP in my business line is this one (http://research.microsoft.com/nlp/), but then I am careful to run a mile from companies who believe in psychometric tests, handwriting analysis or fruit-shrinking.
Quote from: From Beagle's Link
........ to design and build software that will analyze, understand, and generate languages that humans use naturally, so that eventually you will be able to address your computer as though you were addressing another person.
So if the aim is successful, no one need ever comminicate with a human again ! Is that an ideal word?
Instead of dealing with a human fed with the corporate line, you can now deal with a computer fed with the corporate line. ;)
Quote from: beagle
Fortunately the only NLP in my business line is this one (http://research.microsoft.com/nlp/), but then I am careful to run a mile from companies who believe in psychometric tests, handwriting analysis or fruit-shrinking.
A couple execs I've worked under got DISC (http://www.disctests.com/?gclid=CNCgsOWOo5UCFQGbnAod-3yyjQ)-lust, and we were all duly anal-eyesed to reveal our glaring faults and prove why we were undeserving of our existing wages, let alone merit raises. (not the *stated* intent, but really, what kind of people do they think actually pays for that stuff!)
The last time I answered every question as if my boss were asking it in irritation that things were not going according to his (often bizarrre) expectations. My results were ... interesting, to say the least. ;) Everyone in the chain of command took our results as gospel, and eagerly began rooting around for things to correct -- ironically, the very things that they had been trying to *instill* up to that point.
Quote from: Griffin NoName on August 22, 2008, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: From Beagle's Link
........ to design and build software that will analyze, understand, and generate languages that humans use naturally, so that eventually you will be able to address your computer as though you were addressing another person.
So if the aim is successful, no one need ever comminicate with a human again ! Is that an ideal word?
You're talking to a computer nerd. Was that a rhetorical question?
Quote from: beagle on August 23, 2008, 11:07:04 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on August 22, 2008, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: From Beagle's Link
........ to design and build software that will analyze, understand, and generate languages that humans use naturally, so that eventually you will be able to address your computer as though you were addressing another person.
So if the aim is successful, no one need ever comminicate with a human again ! Is that an ideal word?
You're talking to a computer nerd. Was that a rhetorical question?
"Is that an ideal world?" might have been. "Is that an ideal word?" is merely a question that doesn't make sense in the context. :mrgreen:
In any case, the software in question would be created by a computer nerd. So perhaps I ought to have written:
So if the aim is successful, everyone may need only ever comminicate with a computer nerd. Is that an ideal world?
Of course. There'll only be three phrases to understand:
It works for me.
Did you try rebooting?
Buzz off old chap, Dr Who is on.
Bit over-spec then ;)
Quote from: beagle
Of course. There'll only be three phrases to understand:
It works for me.
Did you try rebooting?
Buzz off old chap, Dr Who is on.
I *think* a proper nerd would choose something along the lines of:
:dalek:
EMERGENCY TEMPORAL SHIFT! SILENCE! DR. WHO IS ON! :dalek:
I've just been to the Dr Who exhibition...photos to follow when I get organised and recover from the Dalek Diorama! :help:
:dalek: I AM JEALOUS! I AM JEALOUS! I AM JEALOUS! :dalek:
Me too! I love the show! I can't believe the show is going on a year hiatus so dork boy can be in Shakespeare. Torchwood too! Argh!!! He's got a time machine can't he come back and do the show later?
Which will be remembered in the year 2286? Dr Who or Shakespeare?
Just pray it's not Big Brother.
Quote from: beagle on August 29, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
Just pray it's not Big Brother.
I heard Big Brother has already taken over all the mobile phones in the UK. ;)
Makes a nice change to get text messages from anyone but Vodafone. they're deluging me with free text offers at the moment. Either they accidentally put too much spare capacity in the network or they think I'm about to defect...
Maybe you have just got onto some auto-text-send loop at Vodafone HQ and the only way off it is to buy the text package ;)
But then, at present, I believe even humans are robots.
Self-replicating machines where somone forgot to put in the task to run when there were enough of us.
Keep on replicating, something might turn up.
Quote from: beagle on August 30, 2008, 08:13:10 PM
Self-replicating machines where somone forgot to put in the task to run when there were enough of us.
Keep on replicating, something might turn up.
::) what task ? ::) <brain boggling>
The idea is that if you have a huge task to perform but insufficient resources you design machines that can reproduce copies of themselves AND do the end task. For a period of time the machines just produce copies of themselves, but when a sufficient number exist they switch to the real task.
Well, there's 6 billion of us now, but we're still pretty clueless as to why. It's almost as if we weren't designed properly. ;)
So you don't actually know what the end task is?
Oh dear. We were relying on you.
At a wild guess it might involve putting a Tesco in every galaxy. And a DFS sofa.
Quote from: beagle on August 31, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
At a wild guess it might involve putting a Walmart with in-store MacDonald's in every galaxy. And a DFS sofa.
Fixed it for you, dear sib... ;)
OM! They are arguing over the end task. Heaven forfend.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Not the WalsyMardz wif McBarfles. I can't stand it!!
Tiz OK Chatty, just pop over to http://toadfishmonastery.com/forum/index.php?topic=1508.new#new and you will feel better 'cos the end of days seems to be taken care of already. Possibly.
Quote from: Griffin NoName on August 31, 2008, 11:51:28 PM
OM! They are arguing over the end task. Heaven forfend.
Perhaps fighting and replicating* IS the end task, in which case we're quite good at it.
Quote from: Griffin NoName on August 31, 2008, 11:58:10 PM
Tiz OK Chatty, just pop over to http://toadfishmonastery.com/forum/index.php?topic=1508.new#new and you will feel better 'cos the end of days seems to be taken care of already. Possibly.
I was just idly wondering, is there any year that's not been predicted as the end of the World? Like charity days there seem to be more causes than available diary slots.
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Apparently DFS are aware of this possibility. From Wikipedia:
"In 1998 DFS announced its first drop in profits in 28 years to the London Stock Exchange. The company found a third of customers admitted to a leather fetish, and so repitched its advertising from a middle aged couple to lithesome blondes and brunette models draped over sofas, and a billboard of a model covering up her breasts with flowers on a DFS armchair. In 2000 DFS announced a 79 per cent profit increase".
Where are the stats on progeny conceived on DFS sofas?
Would this be a positive or negative selling point?
Don't know of any reliable statistics. DFS probably have the edge on Tesco in this area though.
I have an intuitive feeling that selling sofas via babies may encounter some degree of consumer resistance from about half the target market.
Quote from: beagle
I have an intuitive feeling that selling sofas via babies may encounter some degree of consumer resistance from about half the target market.
A co-worker back in the 80's announced the purchase of a luxe velvet sofa because the clerk actually told her it was snot-resistant!
(She had toddlers whose noses were corded-edge-height to the sofa cushions at the time of its purchase.) :-X
Don't talk to me about sofas (or Everest Double Glazing)...our smells of gone off milk at the moment!
Quote from: Black Bart on September 02, 2008, 03:28:06 PM
Don't talk to me about sofas (or Everest Double Glazing)...our smells of gone off milk at the moment!
I think Bart's post must have got mislaid from the two word story thread. ::)
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Don't talk to me about wiring being everlasting.
That's why it's called coaxial; You have to coax it into working.
Now you've got a laptop again you can watch it all on iPlayer anyway...
But not itv3Player :(
ITV have their own catchup service I believe. Obviously one doesn't have it oneself, but one's butler sometimes lets one watch his.
Quote from: beagle on September 02, 2008, 09:32:57 PM
ITV have their own catchup service I believe. Obviously one doesn't have it oneself, but one's butler sometimes lets one watch his.
Practising for 'Talk like a Landlubber day eh matey?
One learnt how to talk proper at one's Secondary Modern. One has CSEs in English Language, Sociology, Under-Age Drinking and Ram-Raiding.
Sounds like one too many to me.
Quote from: beagle on September 03, 2008, 05:44:28 PMRam-Raiding.
Not that the Lavington boys* didn't have a certain reputation, but we stuck to ewes. ;) :sheep:
*I grew up about 15 km east of the closest city - things got more redneck as one went east. Friends of mine who went west towards town for high school were considered rednecks (and sheep shaggers, due to a highly visible sheep farm at the turnoff from the highway), I went east for high school and was less redneck than the majority. East of the town I went to high school in, it crosses over from redneck to hillhippy.
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 03, 2008, 06:28:17 PM
Sounds like one too many to me.
Even in those days it was impossible to fail Sociology. The school made everyone do it so everyone had at least one exam.
Is Canada twinned with Wales?
Quote from: beagle on September 03, 2008, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 03, 2008, 06:28:17 PM
Sounds like one too many to me.
Even in those days it was impossible to fail Sociology. The school made everyone do it so everyone had at least one exam.
Is Canada twinned with Wales?
Yep, Canada, New Zealand and Wales are Triplets. We're shortly holding a summit (hopefully not in Cardiff) to discuss how best to respond to sheep jokes.
Quote from: beagle on September 03, 2008, 09:06:49 PM
Is Canada twinned with Wales?
Not generally - there are all manner of farms in BC (the one sheep farm was just rather visible), but few lads with the fortitude to tackle an ostrich. Icelandic ponies or fallow deer are fairer game. ;)
To be honest, we did the most trespassing at the ginseng farms (which may also explain a few things ::) ). Less risky than trespassing on the other 'herb' plantations, which are located further east around Cherryville (as mentioned before, we have hillhippies instead of hillbillies).
Giving it a google, it appears that "ginseng jumping" is a highly regional activity - lots of fun, though.
Quote from: Black Bart on September 04, 2008, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: beagle on September 03, 2008, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 03, 2008, 06:28:17 PM
Sounds like one too many to me.
Even in those days it was impossible to fail Sociology. The school made everyone do it so everyone had at least one exam.
Is Canada twinned with Wales?
Yep, Canada, New Zealand and Wales are Triplets. We're shortly holding a summit (hopefully not in Cardiff) to discuss how best to respond to sheep jokes.
Empirical?
Aggie's ginseng jumping sounds more fun.
Quote from: beagle on September 03, 2008, 05:44:28 PM
One learnt how to talk proper at one's Secondary Modern. One has CSEs in English Language, Sociology, Under-Age Drinking and Ram-Raiding.
Leave out the English Language and I do believe we went to the same school.
The underage drinking had the worst psychological effect on me though...I still can't drink cider after thirty five years.
Whatever happened to those fabulous cocktails of Carlsberg Special and Cider
(also known as "twenty minutes out of Dover" )?
Do you remember the "PBAB (not cider) parties..."?
It's nostalgia hour...
I am not nostalgic for babysham, port and lemon, or Cherry B's :( women knew their place and drank women's drinks
Quote from: Griffin NoName on September 05, 2008, 07:34:01 PM
I am not nostalgic for babysham, port and lemon, or Cherry B's :( women knew their place and drank women's drinks
I think you're confusing the drink with the popular beat combo band. My granny drank Guinness. And lived to 96. A moral on healthy diet there I think.
My mouther drank stout when pregnant with me. Does that explain anything?