Papal Inequality

[Griffin NoName]

Seems the Pope is to lecture us on inequality being a good thing.

   

Whatever happened to all men* being created equal?

*never mind the other genders

[beagle]

Three cheers for Henry VIII.

I'd pay good money to see a Dawkins/Pope standoff though.

[Sibling DavidH]

I'd pay good money to see a Dawkins/Pope standoff though.

We could use our Village Hall as the venue.  I can get it cheap. 

[beagle]

Who manages the Pope these days? Frank Warren?
This could be our route to the big time. "The rumble in the village hall".

[Sibling DavidH]

Sir Humph has asked if he may make a comment:

It hath been explayn'd to mee, what y^e POAPE wou'd oppose & it seemeth to mee passynge STRANGE.  For the matter, w^ch hee Opposeth, is this Law which sayeth, hee must acksept in y^e Church, Menn who wou'd love OTHER MENN.  What then?  For his Church is already full of 'em.
Though why hee diskyketh them soe, I cannot tell, for they do none harm.
I remayne,
Yr Most Humble & Obt Svt,
Humphrey Gryblynge, Bart.

[beagle]

You'd think he'd have noticed he was the only one in the Vatican who watched the football.

[Sibling DavidH]

[Griffin NoName]

Three cheers for Henry VIII.

I'd pay good money to see a Dawkins/Pope standoff though.

I can see an Albert Hall sell-out. The debate to be ended with a rousing Land of Hope and Glory naturally.

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

Seems the Pope is to lecture us on inequality being a good thing.

   

Whatever happened to all men* being created equal?

*never mind the other genders

Well, seein' as how he's a former Nazi?  Who is really surprised?

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

Let me see if I understand correctly: the law will not force the RCC to ordain openly gay priests or women, right? What the law would affect is their ability to discriminate against gays and lesbians as workers in their institutions inside the UK, or what is the nuance of the law (does anybody know)?

So, for instance if Johnny Janitor has been working at Our Lady Of The Marching Soldiers and is found to be gay, the parish would love to fire him but the law would prevent it? If that is the case then the pope's position is untenable.

May someone suggest the RCC to abandon the UK altogether and set shop in countries bent on discrimination only? A number of middle eastern countries would fit the bill perfectly... 

[Swatopluk]

Well, seein' as how he's a former Nazi?  Who is really surprised?

As much as I dislike the guy (few more than him), I think that is unfair. HJ membership was mandatory during the war and conscentious objectors were executed*. His generation is not for nothing known as the Flakhelfer generation (AAG assistant). So I would not hold that against him. Ratzinger is just representative for his organization (while the 'liberals' John 23rd and John Paul 1st clearly were not). The Nazis copied a lot from the RCC**, no need for the other way around.

*admittedly with the RCC agreeing. Even when the postwar new constitution for Western Germany was debated, the RCC tried to prevent the article about conscientious objection because refusing to serve in the armed forces (however immoral/criminal the leadership) could never be justifiable (for non-clerics at least). Only very long after the RCC grudgingly changed its position by declaring that even an 'objectively wrong' conscience had to be respected in this.
**The SS for example took inspirations from the Jesuits and their founder (a professional soldier). I read that they even made use of Jesuit handbooks.

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

You may be right, Swato.

On the other hand?  The fact that the RCC was "in bed" with the Nazi party for so very long, and the deafening silence from Rome regarding what was going on?   Is pretty damning in and of itself, I think.

The RCC never did apologize for their failure-to-condemn during the war.  Nor have they apologized for their money-laundering schemes during and immediately after the war, either...

[Swatopluk]

The RCC has the tendency to be in bed with about any RW regime provided it can participate in the power. About the only 'problem' the RCC had with the nazis is that nazism was unwilling to share (unlike e.g. Spain where the power sharing was even official). Protests against forced sterilization were not based on any kind of human concerns. But sterilized people still can have sex. The 'moral' proposal was to put the victims into KZs instead (separated by sexes of course).

[Griffin NoName]

Let me see if I understand correctly: the law will not force the RCC to ordain openly gay priests or women, right? What the law would affect is their ability to discriminate against gays and lesbians as workers in their institutions inside the UK,

That's what I understand too.

[pieces o nine]

Let me see if I understand correctly: the law will not force the RCC to ordain openly gay priests or women, right? What the law would affect is their ability to discriminate against gays and lesbians as workers in their institutions inside the UK, or what is the nuance of the law (does anybody know)?

It shalt be known as Don't Inquisite, Don't Confess. 



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[EDIT] that*was* a papal icon, one I've used before. Must have picked the wrong one. Yikes! Edit/deleted.  [/EDIT]

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

A forum about pregnancy and babies?
And it's pink*!!!

*I should say that I have trouble entering any Victoria's Secret store and even the St. Valentine candy isle in the supermarket because of the bloody pink. It is irrational but fewer things make me more uncomfortable.

[Swatopluk]

I thought Victoria's Secret was all in black?

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

That would be hot topic. 

[Griffin NoName]

Damn, damn, damn. This was supposed to be a serious discussion.

[Swatopluk]

Okay, we could discuss the new developments in Colorado Springs (aka Evangelical Central) where public services will cease soon. And this does not mean church services but e.g. firefighting, policing, trash disposal, mowing and watering of public lawns, maintenance and repair of roads and ways etc. etc.
Or closer on topic the scandal currently shaking the Jesuit order in Berlin, Germany in its foundations (child abuse in the 70ies and early 80ies now disclosed).
About the only one likely to come out of that untarnished is the headmaster of the affected school who handles the affair in an exemplary way. No coverup, dissimulation or hypocrisy. The Vatican's attempts at damage control on the other hand are imo miserable.

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

Okay, we could discuss the new developments in Colorado Springs (aka Evangelical Central) where public services will cease soon. And this does not mean church services but e.g. firefighting, policing, trash disposal, mowing and watering of public lawns, maintenance and repair of roads and ways etc. etc.

Isn't that the republican holy grail? Aren't they the ones claiming that the wild west was a land of peace, harmony and justice for all? I mean, how bad could it be to replace the police for Blackwater (in the neighborhoods that can afford it)? Or paying a toll every time you get on the street? Or fighting fire with buckets?

[Griffin NoName]

Or closer on topic the scandal currently shaking the Jesuit order in Berlin, Germany in its foundations (child abuse in the 70ies and early 80ies now disclosed).

We've already done that one in the UK

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

Okay, we could discuss the new developments in Colorado Springs (aka Evangelical Central) where public services will cease soon. And this does not mean church services but e.g. firefighting, policing, trash disposal, mowing and watering of public lawns, maintenance and repair of roads and ways etc. etc.
Or closer on topic the scandal currently shaking the Jesuit order in Berlin, Germany in its foundations (child abuse in the 70ies and early 80ies now disclosed).
About the only one likely to come out of that untarnished is the headmaster of the affected school who handles the affair in an exemplary way. No coverup, dissimulation or hypocrisy. The Vatican's attempts at damage control on the other hand are imo miserable.

Here in Tulsa, the puke rat-bastard incompetent-idiot rethuglican mayor is laying off a slew of firefighters and police.  At a time when (due to the economic woes) crime is up, and when crime is up, fires are up--- and besides, our current setup demands the firefighters muster-out to any accident or emergency-- they are literally the first-on-scene responders, and are trained as such.  The ambulance service is.... mediocre as result (it, unlike the firefighters trauma guys, is 'for-profit'.. go figure ).  Many lives have been saved by quick-responding 'firefighters' arriving on scene within 2 minutes-- as anyone paying attention, that's the critical time that makes the difference between surviving a heart attack/chocking situation and funeral services....

.... an interesting note, the previous mayor was a democrat, and she refused to take the salary offered-- she had enough money on her own (what successful politician is not well funded these days? None).

Did the rethuglican "mayor" say anything like that?  Of course not:  he's pocketing the salary while laying off much-needed cops and fireguys _{(and gals... sorry)}.

Seriously:  there's been several excellent suggestions on how to save the city's budget woes, but this puke rat-bastard incompetent-idiot rethuglican mayor's "solution" is to fire important support people...!

For example:  I have once-a-week trash service.  They provided a lovely plastic trolley which holds about 4 traditional rubbish-bin cans' worth at a time.  It has a hinged lid, so the wind won't be blowing it down the street in a game of giant wind-frisbee so common with the traditional cans.   It unloads faster, too-- the trucks have this cool lifting thingy that grabs and tilts the trolley into the back of the truck's hopper-- the workers only need to roll it up to the back, and flip a switch-- they can do two at a time.   

But this service is only in very limited areas-- most of the city relies on 'private providers' (read:  for HUGE profits) who have twice a week service, and utilize customer-provided cans.   That service is much slower, as the multiple-cans-per-customer have to be man-handled into the truck, then returned.  Taking twice as long, on average, per house, at twice a week, meaning the service costs quite a bit more than mine.  The city considered transitioning everyone to my type of service, but the private lobby nixed it... and the puke rat-bastard incompetent-idiot rethuglican mayor refused to re-consider it during these budget woes.

His other "solutions" is to turn off the roadway lights..... ? Yep:  he's cut the lighting from most of the major roadways, plunging them into darkness where previously they were well-lit.

After this fiasco?  I expect to see the following:  increased crime due to lack of cop-presence, increased DOA's at the hospital, due to increased time-on-target from the fire people and increased rate of car accidents due to decreased visibility in major roadways...

*gag*