Papal Inequality

[Griffin NoName]

Seems the Pope is to lecture us on inequality being a good thing.

   

Whatever happened to all men* being created equal?

*never mind the other genders

[beagle]

Three cheers for Henry VIII.

I'd pay good money to see a Dawkins/Pope standoff though.

[Sibling DavidH]

I'd pay good money to see a Dawkins/Pope standoff though.

We could use our Village Hall as the venue.  I can get it cheap. 

[beagle]

Who manages the Pope these days? Frank Warren?
This could be our route to the big time. "The rumble in the village hall".

[Sibling DavidH]

Sir Humph has asked if he may make a comment:

It hath been explayn'd to mee, what y^e POAPE wou'd oppose & it seemeth to mee passynge STRANGE.  For the matter, w^ch hee Opposeth, is this Law which sayeth, hee must acksept in y^e Church, Menn who wou'd love OTHER MENN.  What then?  For his Church is already full of 'em.
Though why hee diskyketh them soe, I cannot tell, for they do none harm.
I remayne,
Yr Most Humble & Obt Svt,
Humphrey Gryblynge, Bart.

[beagle]

You'd think he'd have noticed he was the only one in the Vatican who watched the football.

[Sibling DavidH]

[Griffin NoName]

Three cheers for Henry VIII.

I'd pay good money to see a Dawkins/Pope standoff though.

I can see an Albert Hall sell-out. The debate to be ended with a rousing Land of Hope and Glory naturally.

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

Seems the Pope is to lecture us on inequality being a good thing.

   

Whatever happened to all men* being created equal?

*never mind the other genders

Well, seein' as how he's a former Nazi?  Who is really surprised?

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

Let me see if I understand correctly: the law will not force the RCC to ordain openly gay priests or women, right? What the law would affect is their ability to discriminate against gays and lesbians as workers in their institutions inside the UK, or what is the nuance of the law (does anybody know)?

So, for instance if Johnny Janitor has been working at Our Lady Of The Marching Soldiers and is found to be gay, the parish would love to fire him but the law would prevent it? If that is the case then the pope's position is untenable.

May someone suggest the RCC to abandon the UK altogether and set shop in countries bent on discrimination only? A number of middle eastern countries would fit the bill perfectly... 

[Swatopluk]

Well, seein' as how he's a former Nazi?  Who is really surprised?

As much as I dislike the guy (few more than him), I think that is unfair. HJ membership was mandatory during the war and conscentious objectors were executed*. His generation is not for nothing known as the Flakhelfer generation (AAG assistant). So I would not hold that against him. Ratzinger is just representative for his organization (while the 'liberals' John 23rd and John Paul 1st clearly were not). The Nazis copied a lot from the RCC**, no need for the other way around.

*admittedly with the RCC agreeing. Even when the postwar new constitution for Western Germany was debated, the RCC tried to prevent the article about conscientious objection because refusing to serve in the armed forces (however immoral/criminal the leadership) could never be justifiable (for non-clerics at least). Only very long after the RCC grudgingly changed its position by declaring that even an 'objectively wrong' conscience had to be respected in this.
**The SS for example took inspirations from the Jesuits and their founder (a professional soldier). I read that they even made use of Jesuit handbooks.

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

You may be right, Swato.

On the other hand?  The fact that the RCC was "in bed" with the Nazi party for so very long, and the deafening silence from Rome regarding what was going on?   Is pretty damning in and of itself, I think.

The RCC never did apologize for their failure-to-condemn during the war.  Nor have they apologized for their money-laundering schemes during and immediately after the war, either...

[Swatopluk]

The RCC has the tendency to be in bed with about any RW regime provided it can participate in the power. About the only 'problem' the RCC had with the nazis is that nazism was unwilling to share (unlike e.g. Spain where the power sharing was even official). Protests against forced sterilization were not based on any kind of human concerns. But sterilized people still can have sex. The 'moral' proposal was to put the victims into KZs instead (separated by sexes of course).

[Griffin NoName]

Let me see if I understand correctly: the law will not force the RCC to ordain openly gay priests or women, right? What the law would affect is their ability to discriminate against gays and lesbians as workers in their institutions inside the UK,

That's what I understand too.

[pieces o nine]

Let me see if I understand correctly: the law will not force the RCC to ordain openly gay priests or women, right? What the law would affect is their ability to discriminate against gays and lesbians as workers in their institutions inside the UK, or what is the nuance of the law (does anybody know)?

It shalt be known as Don't Inquisite, Don't Confess. 



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[EDIT] that*was* a papal icon, one I've used before. Must have picked the wrong one. Yikes! Edit/deleted.  [/EDIT]