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Basic php html total idocy banging head against brickwall question

Started by Griffin NoName, April 13, 2008, 02:15:38 AM

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Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith

#15
April 13, 2008, 07:07:53 AM
I'm sorry-- I'm at a loss, as I never actually coded in php before.  I used vba scripts, back in '02.

All I can say is review PHP syntax.

This seems to be straightforward: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php
Sometimes, the real journey can only be taken by making a mistake.

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Griffin NoName

#16
April 13, 2008, 01:26:09 PM

Yup, tried all that.

It really does seem that the php (or javascript) is just not working.

The simplest set variable --- echo/print/document.write - produces nothing on screen let alone the later html displaying it.

It seems bizarre.
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#17
April 13, 2008, 03:29:14 PM
I'm an ASP.NET rather than php person, so you may want to disregard this:

Isn't it just that you've called it program.html instead of program.php, so Apache/IIS doesn't know from the file extension it is supposed to invoke the php engine on it?

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Griffin NoName

#18
April 13, 2008, 05:06:40 PM
Possibly although from what I've read it appears to be that it doesn't actually matter what the file extension is. And certainly the javascript ought to work even if the php doesn't.

In any case, I am stuck with the html extension - it's not "created" by me, its' part of a package and it's the file one is told to "alter for such stuff.

Of course, I could alter the package to suit, but that means nasty stuff every time an upgrade is issued.

I've already hiked the php that HAS to be done elsewhere into a separate (additional) file which does have a php extension and which is the advised method of passing stuff into the html code via an "include".

Nope, it does not make sense.

My latest thoughts are taking me down the path of passing stuff through the html without involving any screen display - that seems to work because I am not fiddling with "thisstupidthing" but just dumping it to the next program in the chain - which is a php file.

I still believe there must be a way, but I have no more time to waste on it.

I hate it when a computer beats me.
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#19
April 13, 2008, 08:00:52 PM
This Javascript way works for me on Vista/IE7

Code Select

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
<html>
<head>
bla
bla
bla
<script type="text/javascript">
var stupidthing="Hello World";
</script>
</head>
<body>
<form>
<input type="text" id="helloworld"></input>
<script type="text/javascript">
document.getElementById("helloworld").value=stupidthing;
</script>
</form>
</body>
</html>

Wouldn't like to guarantee it anywhere else, and it's probably important that the setting Javascript is after the input definition.
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Griffin NoName

#20
April 13, 2008, 08:58:59 PM
Yep, I almost had that at one point...... thanks.

I reckon it would work for me too. In fact I reckon all the combinations I tried would have worked for me altogether.

IF somehow all the execute permissions on the program files hadn't been messed around with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd only checked and set them all on Friday............... silly to assume a few hours later they will still all be ok............. obviously I need to check them every few hours......... that should fill up any spare time I have awake.

Whole directory fulls had got their execute permission unset. Presumably early on Saturday.

Thank goodness just now I was running my new solution which used a completely different pair of programs and it was perfectly obvious the file was "missing" - ie. not getting executed at all. It sort of nudged me beyond the this code isn't working mindset into this whole thing isn't working mindset. It wasn't at all obvious from the file with what I thought was a coding problem. And I wasn't looking cos I had checked the permissions Ha Ha Ha bloody Ha.

I am NOT happy with this new HOSTing co. but then I think I have mentioned that before.


Sorry to have wasted everyone's time on top of my own.


:blush:
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Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith

#21
April 13, 2008, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on April 13, 2008, 08:58:59 PM
Sorry to have wasted everyone's time on top of my own.

:blush:

Wasted?  I wouldn't say that.

A lesson was learned.  I, for one, was intrigued and learned a bit about PHP, of which I knew nothing previously.

Next time, you, knowing what you know NOW will check the permissions/settings first, any time you have a problem.

I wouldn't call that a waste. 

Frustrating as Perdition, :headbang:  but not a waste--just so long as you don't actually :explode:

:mrgreen:
Sometimes, the real journey can only be taken by making a mistake.

my webpage-- alas, Cox deleted it--dead link... oh well ::)

Griffin NoName

#22
April 13, 2008, 11:57:58 PM Last Edit: April 14, 2008, 12:00:00 AM by Griffin NoName
Well, next time I'll be paranoid is what you mean.

Because I don't really expect permissions to unset themselves to quite that extent in quite that little time. Like I had checked them. I'd moved on to the next thing to check.

They'd even unset permissions on a system I wasn't working on at all. Which meant that anyone trying to use it wouldn't have been able to. Luckily hardly anyone uses my systems :ROFL:

I guess if they did I'd have to pay more for Hosting !

Um.

Oh dear.

I've just offered to Host a forum for West London ME sufferers. Surprising number of them there are too.

What with this Hosting co. of mine saying they delete any old files they think are too old without warning ..... and the fact that I have also found out that they've disabled half the cpanel functions.... I think I need to find a better hosting co. and pay more....  I heard there's some good hosting being developed in Toadfish land..........

The message you get on all the cpanel options they've disabled is
contact them to get it enabled

When you do, they don't respond.

Eventually - after weeks of repeat requests and no replies - I rang them in the US -

They told me they wouldn't ever be enabling them.... they've stopped supporting them...

I asked them if they got a lot of phone calls like mine....

They said Yes They Did.

I think unsetting permissions may be their way of controlling traffic :mrgreen:

I know, I know, cheap hosting, you get what you pay for.... <sigh>
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#23
April 14, 2008, 07:22:05 AM
Quote from: Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith on April 13, 2008, 09:27:49 PM
A lesson was learned. 

Exactly. In future you'll blame everyone else first, and only admit it might possibly be less than optimal behaviour in your coding as a last resort.
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Griffin NoName

#24
April 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
Isn't that against the Programmer's Code of Practice ?
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Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)

#25
April 14, 2008, 12:20:30 PM
In all fairness, while in development a programmer will look to his own code as faulty first, but once the code is working for him he will blame the environment (everything else) first.
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#26
April 14, 2008, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: Griffin NoName on April 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
Isn't that against the Programmer's Code of Practice ?

Time to search my desk for the PCP.
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