Greece is Bankrupt

[Griffin NoName]

I always feel incredibly stupid when things like this happen because I don't have the capacity to understand the mess. If the EU (or IMF) give Greece enough money to remain a viable country why don't other countries just declare themselves bankrupt and get bailed out so they can wipe out their debts (a little creative accounting might be needed to get accepted as bankrupt but I am sure it could be managed). In fact why do countries bother to even try to stay solvent? The global economy could just have one giant money printing press and everyone would stay happy and poverty would be erradicated. Have a feeling I'm missing something in the equation.

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

I would imagine that they would pay the money back, but being a bailout without the interest (or at a very low one), at least that's how it worked with the banks here in the States. The main problem for Greece is that being insolvent and with a terrible credit rating the only credit they can access is at an incredibly high rate. A proper "bailout" would loan the money with very lax repayment conditions considering that it would be used to pay immediate obligations until the house is in order, or at least that would be the principle.

[Swatopluk]

I'd say kick them out and invite Turkey instead 

[Aggie]

Deep-fried turkey is becoming common in North America, that way you get both.

[Lindorm]

I'd say kick them out and invite Turkey instead 

Heh, why not just re-instate a new Sublime Porte? There is a distinct lack of grandeur in today's politics! 

[ivor]

Greece WAS the word... 

[Sibling DavidH]

If they are forced out of the Euro, there'll be some bargain holidays in the autumn.
_{Not really the consequence I should be concerned about, but oh well, what the hell...}

[Swatopluk]

Those bastards could cost me my job (not very secure in the first place). Germany is not a poster child for fiscal responsibility either (but still King Oneeye of the Blind compared to the Europeans (mainly) South of us). Our agency is already rather cash-strapped and the current crisis is seen by those who distribute the dough as another opportunity to cut our air supply.

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

Germany is not a poster child for fiscal responsibility either

Apart from Norway who is?

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

Those bastards could cost me my job (not very secure in the first place). Germany is not a poster child for fiscal responsibility either (but still King Oneeye of the Blind compared to the Europeans (mainly) South of us). Our agency is already rather cash-strapped and the current crisis is seen by those who distribute the dough as another opportunity to cut our air supply.

Frankly, I blame the Republicans for everything, especially the current world's financial woes.

They started with Reagan's scrapping of oversight and regulation.... it dominoed from there.

[Swatopluk]

I think the Greeks were flawed even before Reagan (and the ancient Athenians were assholes with good PR)
Not to speak of Italian or Iberian deceit and corruption since time immemorial (Philip II was an exception but he is not that good a role model either  )
In Germany its clearly Rhenian corruption. Just look at how differently public officials were treated in classical Prussia and along the Rhine. In Prussia a Beamter would get punished for not making decisions and shifting them upwards but backed, if a reasoned decision proved wrong (unless it got serial of course). The Rheinisches Beamtenstatut that spread esp. post-WW2 handled it the opposite way with decisions (and therefore potential blame) shifted upwards with even those at the top unwilling to be decisive (except in campaign ads). Backstabbing as primary mode of action is (or at least was) also far more prevalent in the West and South.
Is it celtic heritage?

[Sibling DavidH]

I think the Greeks were flawed even before Reagan...

Will this be a Greek tragedy?

If so, we must be brought to experience the emotions of pity and fear which will bring the Κάθαρσις (catharsis, purging) of these emotions.  For us to feel these emotions the downfall must be significant - for example, the downfall of a mere woman or slave would be too trivial.  Maybe we don't rate Greece that highly; however if other nations are dragged down it would surely be enough.  Can a whole nation take the place of a single noble individual in the drama?  Maybe we won't feel fear or sorrow for such a fuzzy entity.

Apart from that, the traditional tragic elements are present:
The Greeks (or Republicans) are guilty of ὕβρις (hubris) in ignoring the laws of financial probity.  Their borrowing is their ἁμαρτία (hamartia, tragic flaw or deed) which has precipitated the action.  Once the ἁμαρτία is revealed, the whole inevitable chain of events must follow like an unstoppable juggernaut.  What remains, for the onlooker, is that they go down nobly and cause us to feel the two emotions.  Thus we will be purified.

Just thought you might like to know. 

[Griffin NoName]

What will become of the Greek play performed in Cambridge every year?  Really, there are too many consequences to consider which makes it all very inconsiderate of the Greeks.

[Lindorm]

Germany is not a poster child for fiscal responsibility either

Apart from Norway who is?

Errrmmm...

Norway sits on a huge development fund of oil money, which no-one dares to touch for fear of increasing inflation (booh! hiss!), so it just sits there and does nothing, apart from accumulating interest and being generally spoken of in hushed and emotional terms.

Meanwhile, the norwegian health service is on it's knees, dependant on cheap foreign labour from  Sweden, Finland and the baltic states for it's staffing. The norwegian railways are in a terrible state, with maintenance funding so bad that the national rail infrastructure administration has actually warned that they might have to decrease the amount of traffic on the norwegian railway network significantly already by this summer, and they might have to close most of the whole national rail network due to lack of maintenance within a five-year period.

Sure, there's not a lot of inflation in Norway, but it's beginning to look as if there soon is not much else there, either.

[Sibling Zono (anon1mat0)]

The obvious solution is unthinkable: join the EU and the Eurozone, no inflation that way...