hate groups

[pieces o nine]

To answer the original question of what to do, I like the idea of writing an anonymous letter to some local papers in regard to these unwanted pieces of propaganda.

Or pose this politely to your corporate headquarters (again anonymously if necessary): What if everyone started putting junk into your books? Wouldn't that constitute tampering with the merchandise? What if the books were full of other groups' messages, from Al Queda to Mary Kay Cosmetics? Where does it end? Why not make a policy about this before it gets out of hand?

I would love to do this, but it's an extremely authoritarian, hierarchical company. An open joking secret is that *no one* is supposed to make any suggestions to the person above them [apparently the LORD has reserved intelligence to the top few and the rest of us are here to carry out their will]; nor to point out any possible flaws in a a proposal, because that would reveal the [superior's] ignorance of them and/or to challenge their authority; nor to offer solutions to problems that the [superior] has not acknowledged and delegated, for the same reasons.

We're still finding fresh handfuls of cards all over the store with no indication of who is leaving them. Someone *could* watch the security camera <-- what was I thinking there?!  I am privately wondering if they know that fundies run the business and are counting on that -- and the non-response so far -- as tacit permission to continue.  I *don't* think that the upper management condones this, but they don't seem very interested in taking a clear and pro-active stance against it either, and that is ... disappointing.

[Sibling DavidH]

I'm with Scrib.  In general they're not as powerful here as in the US - yet - but in the medical field they're a huge roadblock, which is very likely to affect me before too long.

I'd be interested to hear more about how this might affect you David (since I have extensive need for the NHS myself).

I've started a thread in The Reef to answer this more privately.

[Opsa]

I'd be tempted to pick up every kook organization flier I could, and begin discreetly stuffing them into random books until someone gets fed up.

[Griffin NoName]

I wonder how the management would react if it were obscene pictures being place inside the books?

[Opsa]

Maybe we could create a Toadfish flier that reads "We Hate Hate Groups".

I used to have a T-shirt that read "Kill the Intolerant!"

[The Meromorph]

But I suspect she still thinks it is true, based on knee-jerk assertions regarding a "Christian Nation" blah blah blah.

Re: "christian nation"  obviously there are the various diaries and personal notes from the Constitutional framers which prove this silly.  But just as obvious, these documents are ignored by True Believers^tm.

Lately?

I've started asking these people the following question:

Do either of the words, "God" and/or "Jesus" exist anyplace in the US Constitution?   Answer-- no.

If you remove either "God" or "Jesus" from all Christian literature and documentation (including the Bible), can you honestly say they are still 'Christian'?  No.

In short-- without the ideas of both "God" and "Jesus", Christianity no longer has any meaning¹, and becomes just another secular philosophy.

Since the US Constitution lacks both "God" and "Jesus" in all aspects of it's creation, it is not a christian document-- it's secular.

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My argument has been met with some acclaim, mostly by either thoughtful theists and/or unbelievers.  The fundies simply ignore it, or tell me 'Yer gonna HELL²'.  


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...  during the daily Pledge Of A Legions* ritual.



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*  I saw this in an [illiterate] indignant post on a message board once, and thought it was hilarious. 

Love it!

I've also seen it thusly-- a pretty accurate rendition if today's events are considered:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation divided by God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.


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<sub>¹ from their limited perspective.  I've met self-proclaimed christians who have rejected all the supernatural fluff, and try to abide by the purely positive secular/moral ideas as they see them.

² yet again.</sub>

US Constitution Article VI Clause 2:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Treaty Of Tripoli Article 11:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

[Swatopluk]

Yeah, but the treaty partner of then is not around anymore so the treaty can be considered defunct
Seriously, there are politicians around that claim that administrations are not bound by treaties signed by their predecessors.
Comparatively rarely invoked at home but regularly in connection with Israel (usually in favor of Israel not honouring obligations but currently also by certain voices in Egypt about the peace ratey with Israel).

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

Good point, Swato.   W was a fine example of such behavior.

[pieces o nine]

W was a fine example

Not a phrase I ever expected to see on this forum...   

[Bob in a quantum-state-of-faith]

W was a fine example

Not a phrase I ever expected to see on this forum...   

Context is.... everything.

[anthrobabe]

I agree with the idea of getting a new reporter involved-- if you can find one who isn't a member or so red they are brain dead.

Just sick, sick, sick.

And I will not start here on the idea of limiting or refusing birth control because of religious views.